tonysilva530
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Join date: Nov 2013
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#1
Ok, so I'm new to this forum, I've read the rules and can't find any definitive answers that I am looking for. This is my first post, so here goes...(keep in mind I know VERY little when it comes to music instruments and gear).

My 10 year old son has been bugging me for an electric guitar. I looked up various models and purchased him a used Ibanez RG370DXGP it has that two way bar called the floyd rose and it is the camoflaged painted version body. He's had the guitar for about a week without the amplifier speaker box. So today I bought him the three piece amplifier made by Marshall. It is a Lead 15. I got it used for $100. It looks brand new. I've read so many( online) reviews about this amplifier AFTER I paid for it. It seems not too many guitar players are happy with the sound and possibly the reliability. So I'm wondering, did I waste a hundred bucks on some piece of junk that's going to break? The only reason why I bought this brand amplifier is because I recognized the name "Marshall" from when I used to watch MTV back in the late 80's and I recall seeing those giant amplifiers in all those rock/metal videos. I figured the brand name was reliable.

Again, my son is only 10 years old, so I doubt he knows about adjustments and such on the amplifier, although I'm sure he'll get there. I thought I was buying good equipment...I didn't want to by him that junk they sell at Walmart. I figured, if he quits wanting to learn to play guitar that the reason shouldn't be because he's had a kids guitar and a toy amplifier.
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#2
Don't know much about the amp or it's quality but keep in mind that he's only a beginner. You bought him some pretty decent gear for one and it doesn't seem like you shelled out a fortune if he were to lose interest in the guitar. I think it'll suit him fine for now until he learns about tone and gear.
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Arby911
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#3
Well, the guitar is fine except that setup and maintenance on a floating bridge guitar is often daunting for a beginner. Although the amplifier is a "Marshall" in name only it should serve adequately to determine his actual interest level. Should he remain interested after what you feel is a reasonable time just ask here and we can help get him some better gear for the best price consistent with his musical tastes.
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barnesybaby
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#4
As a few people have said here, while the amplifier may not be something that we would have chose to buy given our levels of knowledge it isn't a terrible purchase. Your son will be grateful to have the equipment and the guitar in particular is often a go-to model that people get when they trade in / destroy their 'kids guitar'.
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#5
Quote by Arby911
Well, the guitar is fine except that setup and maintenance on a floating bridge guitar is often daunting for a beginner. Although the amplifier is a "Marshall" in name only it should serve adequately to determine his actual interest level. Should he remain interested after what you feel is a reasonable time just ask here and we can help get him some better gear for the best price consistent with his musical tastes.


True, but good way to get him started with trem maintenance young is it not?
tonysilva530
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#6
I bought the guitar for $150. And the 3piece amplifier for $100. I took the guitar to Guitar Center to see if they could remove the Floyd bar and make the guitar into a stationary bridge but they said they don't do that type of work there. The worker showed me how to remove the tremolo bar...DUH!!! Anyhow, the manager offered to trade me my (sons) used Ibanez and the guitar case for a brand new entry model Jackson model RRJS30...at least I think that's the model number he mentioned. It doesn't have a Floyd on it or the two-way Floyd bar. The strings pass thru the guitar body and then on up thru the bridge. There are no adjustment knobs. It is black and has kind of a weird V shape to it. It's also nice and lite. Also the manager said if I trade the Ibanez for the new Jackson he will sell me the V guitar case for half price.
As mentioned above, the Ibanez only cost me $150...used. And the new Jackson has a store price tag on it of $299 plus I'll get a warranty with it. Don't know how the Jackson sounds our the quality of it. idk
Arby911
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#7
Nah, keep the guitar you've (he's) got, just learn to set it up properly/restring it etc.

You can start here.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=614226

And don't be afraid to ask questions, most folks here are happy to help and you can safely ignore the rest...
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tonysilva530
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#8
Ok...so, update: Guitar Center salesmen are jerks. After some research, I learned my sons Ibanez RG series guitar is WAY better than the ENTRY level Jackson RRJS30. My sons guitar DOES NOT have a Floyd Rose tremolo, it has an Ibanez Edge III. Tuning the guitar with the floating tremolo is meticulous, BUT once you get it right and lock the strings, keeping it in tune is simple. A guitarist friend of mine told me I bought my son a Corvette. I was like "What"? He said, you're an autmotive tech, you bought him a corvette when he doesn't even know how to drive yet....think about it like that. So now I'm like, ok. My son has a bad ass guitar. And he will learn.

Anyhow, my one big gripe I have with the amp I bought him is the distortion. The Marshall mini stack. Amongst the varuous knobs...for volume control you got "gain 1" and "gain 2" and "Master Volume".

Basically, you can't have PURE CLEAN ie: acoustic sound without some distortion. The only to have pure clean sound with this mini stack its to turn up the master volume ALL THE WAY and have the"gain"s set at 2. Is that safe out will it burn out the amp.
Roc8995
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#9
I wouldn't say they're jerks, they're just clueless. I'm not surprised they couldn't tell the difference between a Floyd and an Edge. GC has notoriously high employee turnover and a lot of times they don't get the details quite right.

Setting the amp that way is perfectly safe, that's actually what you're supposed to do for a clean tone.
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#10
Quote by tonysilva530
Ok...so, update: Guitar Center salesmen are jerks. After some research, I learned my sons Ibanez RG series guitar is WAY better than the ENTRY level Jackson RRJS30. My sons guitar DOES NOT have a Floyd Rose tremolo, it has an Ibanez Edge III. Tuning the guitar with the floating tremolo is meticulous, BUT once you get it right and lock the strings, keeping it in tune is simple. A guitarist friend of mine told me I bought my son a Corvette. I was like "What"? He said, you're an autmotive tech, you bought him a corvette when he doesn't even know how to drive yet....think about it like that. So now I'm like, ok. My son has a bad ass guitar. And he will learn.

Anyhow, my one big gripe I have with the amp I bought him is the distortion. The Marshall mini stack. Amongst the varuous knobs...for volume control you got "gain 1" and "gain 2" and "Master Volume".

Basically, you can't have PURE CLEAN ie: acoustic sound without some distortion. The only to have pure clean sound with this mini stack its to turn up the master volume ALL THE WAY and have the"gain"s set at 2. Is that safe out will it burn out the amp.



Hey there, thought I'd give my two cents in this; I'd say with if the guitar is better or not it's all personal preference until you get past a certain level I think, but you can always do something about what you've got, if you can afford it. I know I can't.

The Edge 3 is a tremolo system very much like a floyd rose, it seems that nowadays Floyd Rose seems to be used as a blanket term rather than to identify a brand of Floyd Rose.

Just my 0.02 on this, feel free to agree/disagree with it
tonysilva530
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#11
.....bringing this thread back from a couple years ago. Update on my sons status (when my son first started guitar, I thought playing was just a phase he was going thru and he'd be over it within a couple months.:

He has not given up playing guitar. He takes guitar lessons at some dude's house that gives lessons on technique and what /why certain notes work together. My son has memorized a bunch of chords, some scales and does his practice technique up, down and across the fret board.

Two years ago he started with an inexpensive guitar and a crappy Marshall Micro Stack amp. Now, his gear is:

Stringed instruments:
Ibanez RG370 (first) guitar
Dean Zero (third) guitar
No Name Copy of a Gibson SG (second) guitar
Melokia Ukele (with acoustic pickup in the sound hole).

Sound Amplification:
Crate 15 watt practice amp

Crate Power Block 150 watt head powering a Crate 4x12 cab.

Blackheart 1 watt tube amp head powering the Marshall A/B 1x10 cabinets which were the cabinets to his first amp set up two years ago.

I know he has a Boss multi effects processor (which I wont let him trade away because it cost me $$$), other than that one, I don't know what all effects pedals he has currently. He goes thru them like crazy. Sometimes only having a particular one for a day or two, then he will trade it away to someone for other gear.

Had to have the Marshall 1x10 cabinets (wires) modified to allow them to work with the Blackheart head tube amp. (This is my sons favorite setup: The No Name SG copy plugged into the tube head using reverb and chorus pedals.

Had different (used) pickups installed into the No Name SG copy.

Had the Dean Zero professionally set up a few weeks ago (intonation and neck adjustment, I think the cold/moist winter weather did something to the neck.....no guitar case for the Dean and it's the only guitar he leaves in the ice cold garage 24/7).

Haven't had anything done to the Ibanez other than string replacements with different sets/brands/thicknesses etc....

Put a "Little Giant" Blackheart head on Lay-A-Way at a local pawn shop. Slightly bigger head (5 watt) than his "Killer Ant" 1 watt head.....5 watts of tube power might be enough to run his 4x12 cab.....maybe not. We shall see.

Haven't done anything with the Jackson Soloist (project) guitar that I bought for myself.....infact, my son snatched the pickups out of it and traded them away for a different set of pickups to install in his yard sale SG copy. (So I guess the Soloist is more of a project now than when I first got it.

Oh, and my guitar skills have not improved very much at all, but my sons have excelled tremendously.

He's on this forum from time to time. just don't know his username.

I haven't really posted a whole lot, but thanx for all the helpful insight you all and others have posted everywhere on this forum, it has given me and my son some knowledge, where-as when my son first started playing, neither one of us had any idea how to hold a pick or tune a guitar.