#1
I have a couple of different cabs and often jam on a third:

- Krankenstein 4x12 (600W) Eminence Texas Heat
- Vader 2x12 (150W) Eminence Man-o-War
- ValveKing 2x12 (400W) Branded ValveKing speakers

I use the same amp through all of them; a Peavey JSX. Although I only play metal I tend toward the low side of the gain knob. What I've noticed is that with the Krankenstein cab, I usually have the gain on about 3, where with the other two it is significantly higher to get the same amount of breakup. My theory is that the higher wattage of the K cab allows for the subtleties of the amp to come through as it sounds clearer with more headroom. I understand that different speakers sound different, but am wondering what effect power handling has on high gain guitar tones. Thanks.
:: Peavey JSX | XXX ::
:: LTD V | Viper | AX [EMG85] ::
:: Vader 2x12 | Krankenstein 4x12 ::
:: G50 | DecimatorG-String | 95Q ::
:: Polytune | Ditto | CarbonCopy ::
#2
Power handling should theoretically have no effect whatsoever on guitar tone.
The biggest difference comes from the frequency response, which depends on a whole friggin lot of things, and the second biggest if you ask me is the sensitivity (that XXdb x 1w @ 1m).

The difference in perception in your case is probably due to the size (put simply, more speakers => fuller sound) and the fact that you get more high end with the Texas Heats.
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I could be totally wrong, but the big problem (as with most guitar things) is that you can say what should theoretically happen if everything else is equal, but the problem is in the real world very rarely is everything else equal. Some speakers are dirtier-sounding than others, for example, even if they're higher wattage.
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^ yeah, that too.

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i'm pretty sure i'm weird for an irish person, I don't drink or anything, and I'm really quiet/shy in real life
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I have a couple of different cabs and often jam on a third:

- Krankenstein 4x12 (600W) Eminence Texas Heat
- Vader 2x12 (150W) Eminence Man-o-War
- ValveKing 2x12 (400W) Branded ValveKing speakers

I use the same amp through all of them; a Peavey JSX. Although I only play metal I tend toward the low side of the gain knob. What I've noticed is that with the Krankenstein cab, I usually have the gain on about 3, where with the other two it is significantly higher to get the same amount of breakup. My theory is that the higher wattage of the K cab allows for the subtleties of the amp to come through as it sounds clearer with more headroom. I understand that different speakers sound different, but am wondering what effect power handling has on high gain guitar tones. Thanks.


higher wattage speakers are just speakers that have components that can handle more power output, this generally means the speaker is reinforced in two ways:

1) suspension. the suspension is the parts that let the cone traverse back and forth. this includes components like the spider and the surround. i kinda include the speaker cone itself in this category though i probably shouldn't. but these are the mechanical parts that are likely to tear or rip under high volume conditions, and stiffer/thicker/more durable components help make a higher wattage speaker

2) voice coil. this is the biggest culprit of why guitar speakers fail, if you send too much current into a voice coil then you can literally melt it into a useless chunk. more windings and bigger wire help reinforce high wattage speakers.

technically a cast basket has more reinforcement than a bent frame basket but i doubt there are any speakers literally bending the basket from extreme volumes.

either way, because lower wattage speakers are generally made with lighter, looser, thinner parts and smaller/lighter voice coils then they are usually considered to be more 'responsive'.

with all that being said, i have not noticed any absolute correlation between speaker tone and wattage rating. i agree with what is stated above, voicing design specifics seem to have far more impact over speaker tone than any kinda raw relationship to power handling rating.
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#9
^ yeah, everything else being equal there's possibly some correlation, but unless you're trying higher-wattage versions of lower wattage speakers (say a creamback or something like that), you probably aren't in a situation where everything else is equal.

also lol at the santa hat on spambot's avatar, that made me laugh for some reason
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#10
ah yes, i forgot that its that time of year... thats better!

Thanks for your responses. I understand everything else isn't equal, but thought that such a drastic change in settings for basically the same sound (ish!) had to be attributed to something. I'm just going to chalk it up to tonal differences and leave it at that. Hope i can sleep tonight! Thanks again.
:: Peavey JSX | XXX ::
:: LTD V | Viper | AX [EMG85] ::
:: Vader 2x12 | Krankenstein 4x12 ::
:: G50 | DecimatorG-String | 95Q ::
:: Polytune | Ditto | CarbonCopy ::
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