#1
Hey guys so im thinking about getting a new amp. Im using a cheap fender mustang and im ready for something better.

Music i like-Metallica, Iron Maiden, Pantera, Guns, ACDC and i also want to get into playing some jazz and blues stuff

I want an amp that can push heavy crunch and nice distortion for matallica but i also want an amp that can have nice and full cleans for jazz and blues stuff.

What do you guys think? i know that the valveking is like 200 bucks more and that is my main question is it worth it to get the valve over the bandit. I am really looking to mostly Produce that crunchy heavy metal tone but still having good cleans.

If there is any other amps for a good price (maybe like under 400 bucks) then id love to know about them. Thanks

BTW im playing though emg pickups and i currently dont have pedals but i plan go get some soon so id like the amp to be pedal freindly
#2
No contest. The VK shits on it, especially if you stick a better speaker in it. Even with the shitty stock speaker it's no contest but with a speaker upgrade it's like an MG vs a JCM800.

But having said that, on a tight budget it's hard to go past Jet City.
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#3
^ pretty much what he said
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#4
Also look at the Peavey Ultra combo 1x12 or 2x12 start at $199 normally and way better than the VK line.
Peavey JSX or XXX combo are also nice and cheap

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#5
Yeah i have looked into jet citys idk about them tho just never really appealed to me as for you guys thinking for the extra what is it like 150 bucks the peavey valve 212 seams like my best bet. And Im pretty sure the jsx and the xxx are pretty expensive right? and if i am to get a Valveking 212 used will i have to get new tubes or do anything with the speakers?
#6
there is a 1x12 Peavey ultra at www.guitarcenter.com/used gear for $249 it is what the JSX/XXX are based off. it has a good clean and a great crunch/lead tone
There is a XXX 1x12 for $449 also
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#7
450 is a little bit to much i would like to stay under the 350 now that i know i can get a valve for 350
#8
Then the Peavey Ultra 1x12 is your best bet and only $249
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Plus the 2 speakers is worth 100 bucks to me

The ultra sounds better than the VK. If you like the JSX/XXX tones then the ultra will deliver in spades. But it is your money
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#11
I was actually impressed by the ValveKing. I bought a broken VK 212 combo cheap and fixed it. It doesn't quite hang with my 6505+ in terms of high gain, but for everything else it holds its own.

I agree upgrading the speakers in it would help a lot. I tried it through my Avatar 212 cab and that was a big improvement.

I don't really know if there would be a better value for your money, but that's my experience with the Valveking.

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#12
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I was actually impressed by the ValveKing. I bought a broken VK 212 combo cheap and fixed it. It doesn't quite hang with my 6505+ in terms of high gain, but for everything else it holds its own.

I agree upgrading the speakers in it would help a lot. I tried it through my Avatar 212 cab and that was a big improvement.

I don't really know if there would be a better value for your money, but that's my experience with the Valveking.


/rant.

valve kings are NOT terrible amps, its what people expect of them that is a disappointment. people see them as a cheap alternative to a 5150 then get disappointed that it doesn't sound like one, i have heard that several times. they are DIFFERENT amps. no matter what you do to a VK you will not get 5150 tone.

if you are fine with that reality there are inexpensive ways to make the VK better. it doesn't have terrible cleans, and the OD is decent boosted, but more for a classic rock/hard rock maybe metal for some, but more in the hard rock lines.

they have shitty tubes.

they have shitty speakers.

you need to get a dummy jack for the first input ($2 or cut end off of a dead cable),

EQ in the loop MXR 10 bands are industry standard, but the danelectro fish and chips are supposedly decent for how cheap they are.

you will need an OD. pick up a bad monkey used for ~$20.

and you would be fine. and if you kept everything put it back to stock if you were to sell it and you would have some things any guitarist needs (everybody should have an EQ and OD IMO). tubes can be used in another amp preamp tubes can swap back to stock, power could go to another amp if the other amp is 6L6.

not much to lose.
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#13
Psh. The cleans are the best thing about the VK. The dirt is like a soggy fart. Good for nothing except like 90s industrial.
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Psh. The cleans are the best thing about the VK. The dirt is like a soggy fart. Good for nothing except like 90s industrial.


haha. with it dialed in right without the gain boost and with the input jack and everything they are alright. or i thought it was good then and now i am spoiled i will have to see if i can find an old recording.
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Psh. The cleans are the best thing about the VK. The dirt is like a soggy fart. Good for nothing except like 90s industrial.


i searched and uploaded this for you. yes its through a camera mic, which blows, then youtube's compressing. its a VK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdWA-Mvh9vk&feature=youtu.be
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I've heard people get incredible tones out of a Bandit 112. It's a great value amp.
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I've heard people get incredible tones out of a Bandit 112. It's a great value amp.


could do worse. could do a hell of a lot better with something else.
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#18
Oh FFS!. Buy the Ultra, even if the tubes all need replacing. It is so much better than the others I don't understand why this conversation is still going.
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Oh FFS!. Buy the Ultra, even if the tubes all need replacing. It is so much better than the others I don't understand why this conversation is still going.


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Oh FFS!. Buy the Ultra, even if the tubes all need replacing. It is so much better than the others I don't understand why this conversation is still going.

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Oh FFS!. Buy the Ultra, even if the tubes all need replacing. It is so much better than the others I don't understand why this conversation is still going.


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#22
Get the Ultra or a jet city, they are far better, and a cheap tubescreamer, done.

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#23
Just a passing thought, I know the dirt is much better, but are the ultra's cleans better than the VK?
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#24
I would say no. The VKs cleans are cleaner, anyway.
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#25
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Just a passing thought, I know the dirt is much better, but are the ultra's cleans better than the VK?

Well the Vk cleans are based on Fender, but the Ultra has cleans very similar to the JSX which are awesome IMO
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Well the Vk cleans are based on Fender, but the Ultra has cleans very similar to the JSX which are awesome IMO


IIRC, the Ultra is more sterile like a XXX. The Ultra Plus is warmer more like a JSX. Important distinction between them which I think gets overlooked sometimes.
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#27
Meh, a good set of JJ's or RFT's and it'll be fine.
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#28
i have both amps. the Ultra is overall the better amp however the VK isn't a bad amp at all. the4 clean sound is very good and I find the distortion channel is good for (as mentioned) hard rock and 70s/early 80s metal. it's not great for modern metal especially the way downtuned stuff. if you can get the Ultra then that is the better amp but if not the VK isn't a bad 2nd choice.
#29
Well, to shed some light on the Bandit 112, I had one of the newer models. It did just about anything I wanted, without any pedals. I mean, it's no tube amp, but it's a damn good amp for how much it costs. It packs quite a punch and is built like a tank.

The Bandit has a built-in attentuator, three voicings for each channel (which make a huge difference, btw) and it doesn't sound like crap. Except on the High Gain voicing. It doesn't have perfect tube response, but it's definitely better than solid state amps with digital modeling circuitry. You can make the amp "break up" on the clean settings, but it won't do it like tubes do.

I never noticed the attentuator doing too much besides cutting the volume. Peavey claims that when the attentuator is set to 25% or 50%, you can make the amp "break up" like a tube amp would when you push the volume of the amp. It might a little bit, but like I said, it's not a tube amp.

For the gain, you don't need pedals. I found that the classic and modern voice settings were very applicable. Classic is a nice low-gain setting that has the most tube feel. The modern setting sounds like a 6505, minus the full warmth of the tubes.

The reverb also doesn't sound terrible. I liked the boost knob, too.

I think if you're looking for a cheap amp to jam with and not have to worry about tubes, that also is flexible and sounds great, the Bandit is a great choice. You can get them used with a footswitch for like $200-$300 on craigslist.