#1
Seems like the perfect amps still debating between the 210 or the 410. Has everything I need, two master volumes for solos, inboard verb lots of tones and gain on tap where I could throw all the dirt pedals away. I was honestly debating between this and a 5153. So what's every bodies consensus? I really would like to hear for people who have owned the amp, not classic marshall fanboys or forum banshees that believe everything they read.

How's the reliability? Do they cut through the mix in a live setting? Record well? Take pedals? Etc etc. mainly gonna use this as my gigging workhorse so all aspects of its live use would be appreciated. Thanks.
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#2
A splawn quickrod is worth the look.
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#3
Try one if you can.

IMO the JVM is an ultimate example of a piece of gear looking great on paper. It's feature set to price ratio is phenominal. Really really amazing feature set. BUT... it sounds extremely average. It suffers greatly from "jack of all trades" syndrome. It touches on everything, but can't do anything very well.

The 5150 III sounds pretty great, but is also pretty lacking in features. I think that trade off is something that simply exists until you break $3500+ territory, where you can get something like a Diezel VH4, which actually does what the JVM tries to do at half the cost but can't (because it's half the cost).

Notable mention goes to Mesa Road King II. It has a great feature set too, and sounds phenomenal (though it does take an extremely long time to dial in). The main problem with the RK2 is that it is very sorely missing MIDI.... the Marks are too for that matter. Hopefully Mesa gets on that for Marks and Road Kings. They desperately need it considering the other features they have going on.
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#5
My own personal experience with the 410 JVM was similar to Offworld's: it's versatile, but it doesn't excel at any particular setting. I guess the clean and crunch channels are the best, but I was sorely disappointed by the orange and red settings.

Try to go with a EVH, an old Soldano, or maybe even an Egnater Vengeance. My buddy has the Egnater, and it's one heck of an amp.
#6
I thought about a JVM and Vintage Modern but bought a Randall RM100 instead. It was a good decision.
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#8
The JVM is a mediocre amp, the JVM410JS is a nice amp, but quite expensive.

I second the Splawn suggestion if you want a great Marshallish tone or the JCM2000 DSL50/100

The 5150III is a better sounding amp than the JVM210/410 so that is an easy answer there
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#9
Hmm. Appreciate the comments. I actually thought there'd be a lot more love for the Jvm here. :P well as you can see in my signature I already have a Dsl. I have played all of those amps you guys have suggested except for the quickrod. I actually really like the sound of the Jvm tbh. I guess the feedback I wanted was just more about how they held up live I going back to my Op. Thanks again.
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#10
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I thought about a JVM and Vintage Modern but bought a Randall RM100 instead. It was a good decision.

What modules do you have? Did you happen to do a NAD for the Randall? I'd like to read your take on them.
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#11
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I thought about a JVM and Vintage Modern but bought a Randall RM100 instead. It was a good decision.


Those RMs look f'n awesome. RM50 with an Angel and Voxyface module, I'd be in heaven.
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#12
There are a shit ton of YouTube videos with JVM owners bitching about noise that the repair shops can't fix after multiple visits.

The one I played sounded decent enough, albeit the tone is not for me. I was hoping for a little more, it was missing that extra 10-20%. Maybe with more time to dial in or TS up front it would have put it over the top. It was my friends amp and I only played it for 15 minutes which is not nearly enough time to get near having it dialed in.

If you are going to buy- which sounds like you are since you do like the sound get the 410. Just play it before you pick up so you can make sure it isn't a noisey one.
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#13
The RM series from Randall is awesome for versatility (IIRC there is a rack version with 12 sockets, which is kinda overkill).

I'd suggest the ENGL Retro 50/100. A bit more expensive, but worth it.
#14
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I pretty much echo what Robb is saying.

The JVM divides people into Love and Hate groups.

If you played the amp and you like it then everyone else can be damned.

I've played the 210 and 410 heads 5 or 6 times now at loud volumes and I just can't find anything about it that I like. The OD2 channel on Green is kind of nice but for the amount of features and tones this thing is supposed to have it just doesn't do it for me. Conversely, you can walk up to Class 5 or a Peavey Classic 30 and bang out a good tone without even trying.

The amp is super flexible and Midi capable so that's a plus. I'm sure in the UK it is a much better deal. The built in reverb is nice for sure. Nice cleans. Maybe with more time I could come to like it more. Unfortunately, the overdrive tones for me seem contrived and somewhat fake.

If you want more JVM love go to the marshallforums or rig-talk.com

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DSL? Awesome. You get what you get.
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In my quest I found the Splawn Quick Rod and the EVH 5150 III to be much better amps. Maybe not quite as flexible but tonally much better. I bought the Quick Rod.
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What modules do you have? Did you happen to do a NAD for the Randall? I'd like to read your take on them.

Atm I just have a Tweed and an SL+. I intend to get this module as soon as I get the money. I'll probably get a Mesa Mark module eventually too.


Here's the NAD.
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#16
The JVM was the most dissapointing Marshall amp I've ever played. I honestly had really high hopes for that amp, and I've heard some great clips before, and after, trying one, but I just couldnt dig it. The 5150 III, however, I was super impressed with on first try. Wasn't nearly as wow'd with the 50w head when I tried it, but I'd still probably take it over a JVM. Interestingly enough, lots of guys on the Sneap forum swear by their JVMs, I on the other hand, had a very strong distaste for it when I played though one

I would like to give one another chance, though. The 210 seems to go super cheap used. I've been tempted several times to take the plunge after hearing some clips on the Sneap forum, but I've still yet to get over that first impression.
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#17
I've had my JVM 410h since 2008. I love all the tones I can get out of it! It's been gigged well over 200 times and still running like a champ. I haven't even re-tubed it yet. So yeah I may be a bit biased, but go try one out for yourself if you can!
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I've had my JVM 410h since 2008. I love all the tones I can get out of it! It's been gigged well over 200 times and still running like a champ. I haven't even re-tubed it yet. So yeah I may be a bit biased, but go try one out for yourself if you can!
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#20
it almost seems like you're looking for approval for you to do what you want and get the amp. You seem to want to do as we say.

You like it is what matters. Not us.
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#21
I know a guy with a 401 and he says it's not the greatest for a Marshall but it suits him because his bands play so many styles and it covers it all. "Once all the other instruments fire up, the deficiencies get buried." He seems pretty happy with it. I told him to get a Randall RM100, then he'll have it all.
"Too expensive," he said.

If you are in the US where Randalls sell cheap used that's what I'd recommend. Of course though, then you'll have never ending module GAS. But hey, what's music if not a bottomless pit to throw money into?
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#23
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#24
All the focus on this thread is on the 100w heads, I've got a 205H and I absolutely love it; forgive my extreme naivety regarding amps, but a lot of people seem to be having most problems with the high gain channels of the amp; with the 50w head won't the signal break up at a lower volume? Wouldn't you have to really crank the 100w heads to get the signal to break up?
My feeling is that with a proper PA system a 50w half stack is all you'd need for gigging

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#25
^Not everyone wants lots of power amp saturation, but yes - Not really any instances when I'd prefer a 100w amp to a 50w one.
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I've had my JVM 410h since 2008. I love all the tones I can get out of it! It's been gigged well over 200 times and still running like a champ. I haven't even re-tubed it yet. So yeah I may be a bit biased, but go try one out for yourself if you can!


Whether your biased towards the amps tone is irrelevant because so far your the only person that's given me the answer I'm looking for in a sense. I like the tone of the Jvm that is why I'm considering buying it. I just want to hear from other jvm users about how the amp holds up on stage and cuts through the mix etc.

Most of the responses I'm reading are just people who tried the amp and didn't like it forever reason. While I appreciate the time it took for them to write that bias that's not what I'm looking for. Again thank you kindly dollies.

I won't lie though it's been incredibly hard choosing one thing out of all the options. For me it really is between the jvm 5153 and vengeance. I guess it might come down to impulse but right now it's telling me JVM :P
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Whether your biased towards the amps tone is irrelevant because so far your the only person that's given me the answer I'm looking for in a sense. I like the tone of the Jvm that is why I'm considering buying it. I just want to hear from other jvm users about how the amp holds up on stage and cuts through the mix etc.

Most of the responses I'm reading are just people who tried the amp and didn't like it forever reason. While I appreciate the time it took for them to write that bias that's not what I'm looking for. Again thank you kindly dollies.

I won't lie though it's been incredibly hard choosing one thing out of all the options. For me it really is between the jvm 5153 and vengeance. I guess it might come down to impulse but right now it's telling me JVM :P

So, you're just looking for someone to validate your decision of buying it, then? Your message did ask for a comparison to the EVH, which most people in this thread would probably agree is a better amp, so yes, you asked for opinions.

Anyway, who cares, if you like it - buy it. We can't force you to spend your money in one way or the other and if you don't want to hear opinions against the JVM, then I don't understand the purpose of your thread.
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Musician's Friend stupid deal of the day is a JVM410H for $1599, thought I'd let the OP know

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#30
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Whether your biased towards the amps tone is irrelevant because so far your the only person that's given me the answer I'm looking for in a sense. I like the tone of the Jvm that is why I'm considering buying it. I just want to hear from other jvm users about how the amp holds up on stage and cuts through the mix etc.

Most of the responses I'm reading are just people who tried the amp and didn't like it forever reason. While I appreciate the time it took for them to write that bias that's not what I'm looking for. Again thank you kindly dollies.

I won't lie though it's been incredibly hard choosing one thing out of all the options. For me it really is between the jvm 5153 and vengeance. I guess it might come down to impulse but right now it's telling me JVM :P

You asked our opinion on the JVM, the JVM is not worth the money at all.

You don't like those opinions of ours, so what do you want from us.

The 5150 III is a much better amp than the JVM no matter what you want to here this is the common thought of everyone here.

$2000 for an impulse buy? that is about stupid
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#31
Quote by TheCalvinator
I was honestly debating between this and a 5153. So what's every bodies consensus? I really would like to hear for people who have owned the amp, not classic marshall fanboys or forum banshees that believe everything they read.



5153 is better. That's my consensus.

I am a Marshall fanboy for all intensive purposes. I am not a forum banshee as I've played these amps extensively and have formed my own opinion. I've also played the Vengeance. I really like the cleans and the dirt on that amp but it is a bit dark. If I were to get a JVM it would def be the 205. That said, there is not much difference tonally or headroom wise in a 50 and a 100 watt amp. My amp (Splawn) has a half power switch so I can toggle back and forth. I like 50 watts better because I can't hear the difference and I'd rather save on power tubes.

I don't gig but I'm sure the JVM cuts through the mix fine, takes pedals extremely well and is about average quality wise. There. A Splawn for example will be made better no question with better component to boot. I'm betting the JVM has similar build quality as the 5153 and Vengeance.

There are probably 20 other amps in addition to the ones discussed so far that I personally would rather have. However, it doesn't seem like you are real interested in hearing that so go buy a 410 and rock your socks off.

Most of us here recognize it is a love/hate amp and we stated it as such. Like I said if you want more penis stroking comments about how great the JVM is then go ask about it on www.rig-talk.com or www.marshallforum.com

In summary, I feel like we gave you honest advice. It is your choice on what to do with it.




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