#1
Hey all.

As the title says im after the trademark 6505 sound but a 120 watt head is too much for me to have. Wouldnt be able to turn it up past 1/2.

So i was thinking whats the next best thing?
Had a few ideas which include:
-Laney IRT studio
-Peavey 6505+ combo and turning it into a head.
-JCA50 (boosted and EQ pedal)

New or used, fine either way.
Price, Around the £400 mark
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Think ive included everything. Just after a new guitar head btw.
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#2
I'll stick by my opinion that the IRT was lacking in a lot of areas to my taste and I struggled to find usable sounds. They're just hard to dial in I found, which didn't work for me. With a boost (which I think you listed that you have) and your EQ it'd do a 6505 tone for cheaper than a 6505 pretty well.

Definitely check it out, I'll recommend it even though I didn't like it as I never thought it as a bad amp, just lacking for what I wanted when I went to give it a try. But I did try the 60 watt head and that may be a bit different to the studio. The built in boost is pretty horrible too. Absolutely no bass cut and almost a bass boost, would recommend using an external one.
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#3
I'd go for an IRT60, it sounds a little different to a 6505 but they'll both do pretty similar things, plus the IRT has a built in attenuator which can be very handy, especially if your reason for not getting a 6505 is due to the fact that it's too loud.
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#6
Put an EQ with a level slider in the loop and bring the volume down on the slider. It makes the volume on the 6505 (or any amp with a loop) more controllable, and gets the 6505 past the "fill out" point at normal (talking/TV) volumes with ease.

Don't wast your time or money trying to get a low wattage 6505. The wattage isn't the problem or an issue.
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#7
Take a look at the ENGL Gigmaster 15, high gain and good cleans unlike the 6505.
#8
I second an Ironheart 60 if you would want that at all, I have one that I love and can get it as quiet as I want. Fantastic amp with great cleans and high gain.
#9
Cheers for all the replies so far

I'll see if im allowed to use an EQ pedal on a 6505 in a shop. Friend of mine has a Ironheart 60h and i do love it.
Failing the EQ in the loop thing, i might get a IRT 60.
Do prefer my 6L6's
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#10
The only thing that sounds like a 6505 is a 6505. There isn't much difference between the 60 watt combo running into a 412 vs. the 120 watt head running into a 412. They are both loud as F@#k if you crank them.

Thankfully, both models have this device called a VOLUME knob. It is flawed thinking that this type of amp needs to be at stadium volumes to sound good. I enjoy mine at "1" on the post gain (volume). It provides a perfectly serviceable metal tone at a low volume. Granted, it starts to sound even better on 3. I look at it this way: It's better to have the capability and not need it than to want and not have. Low wattage is not ideal for metal. For metal, you want your distortion coming from the preamp while your poweramp stays clean/just amplifying the tone of the preamp without adding distortion. This keeps your riffing nice and tight. This is exactly what the 6505 is designed to do. It is not an amp that has to be "turned to 11" to sound good -- it starts to sound its best at a reasonable volume and just gets a little better from there. More wattage is actually your friend because it ensures that the preamp tone is being faithfully re-created in the poweramp without adding saggy poweramp distortion. Hopefully that makes sense.
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#11
What you said Kailm makes a lot of sense to me.
But you have just made me facedesk several times..

Only reason I really made this thread is because i know my parents will tell me to turn the amp down (they complained about my HT5 head (granted i did use to crank that to about 5 or 6/10)) So fingers crossed they wont be THAT pissed off if i were to get a 6505 120 watt head.

I know the sound i want IS the 6505, always loved it, always wanted to own one.
Think im just gonna bite the bullet and get one.
Then move out asap haha.
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#12
Pull 2 tubes and run a lower gain 12A_7 in the phase inverter. EQ pedal in the loop, volume all the way down.

Or get an AMT P2 and whatever low-medium wattage power amp you want.
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#13
In my opinion I would just get the 6505. At about 0.5 on the post gain it gets a full sound and is a reasonable volume. Anything lower and you lose the high end, but at 0.5 it isn't really that loud. Granted it will sound better with the volume up a bit more, but at lower volumes it still is nice and it gets loud quick.

I do this for "quiet" practice with the 120 watt head with all the tubes in.

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#14
6505+ combos can be found for pretty cheap. It can be a lot of work to convert a combo to a head. I built a case for one of my amps once and it came out awesome, but I had to learn some woodworking skills in the process.

Krank Rev Jr (Pro has 2 channels) can go into 5150 territory more than most amps IMO and you can find them for pretty cheap. Some good tubes in the pre help (Tung Sol RI V1, JJ's in the rest of the pre).
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In my opinion I would just get the 6505.


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#16
I'll second the krank. It can get gnarley. The irt studio runs el84's so your getting a different tone to the 6l6s in a 6505 or an irt60. Lamb of god use mark IVs which is totally different again. Go with ur gut and just buy second hand so you dont loose any money if it doesnt work out
#17
a few people have said it and ill say it again. bro the only thing that sounds like a 5150/6505 IS a 5150/6505. just get the head and keep the VOLUME low. dont pull power tubes it doesnt have that much effect on the volume it has an effect on breakup. dont get an attenuator it is useless for what we use the 6505's for. just snag the amp and keep the volume around 1 or less and enjoy.

i play a 5150ii in my apartment and i have the post volume on both channels on one and it sounds great.
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#18
Yeah, thinking about it. Im never gonna be happy unless i have a 6505/5150 and a mesa 4x12..
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#19
Get the Peavey dude. Really you won't find an amp that gets the "loud" sound without some volume, there is something inherently better about loud music,not to mention that your speakers do play a big part in your sound and playing louder makes your speakers happier as well. I had the combo 6505+, it sounded awesome even at low volumes, even better with a boost and/or EQ.
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#21
Pull 2 power tubes and run the 6505 as a 50 watt amp ( the difference is miniscule)
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#22
Well, there is a russian Yerasov Soldier, a 30w amp based on Soldano amps (there is also Boggart 30 and Marvel 30, Bogner and Marshall respectively) and since 6505 is also based on SLO the sound may be there. (Check the youtube) Problem is that Yerasov is not really available outside of Russia but some German sellers do carry them and you can order them online.

However they are overpriced IMHO: 700€-800€. Plus the I've read that the Yerasov quality can be dodgy though that could be just internet talk, I hear the same thing about Engl's. However for that money you can get Engl Ironball or Fireball or Randall Diavlo or Laney Ironheart. I think I'd rather put my money towards one of those...

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#23
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Pull 2 power tubes and run the 6505 as a 50 watt amp ( the difference is miniscule)

My thoughts exactly.
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#25
Can you get the Baron Snott Watts in the UK?
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#26
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Can you get the Baron Snott Watts in the UK?

I'm sure you can order one, hit them up with an email
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#27
You could use THD Yellow Jackets. Though I'm curious how much that would affect the tone.
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#28
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You could use THD Yellow Jackets. Though I'm curious how much that would affect the tone.


Much rather pull two 6L6's than run with EL84's instead. Cheers for the idea though
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#29
Quote by Offworld92
Put an EQ with a level slider in the loop and bring the volume down on the slider. It makes the volume on the 6505 (or any amp with a loop) more controllable, and gets the 6505 past the "fill out" point at normal (talking/TV) volumes with ease.

Don't wast your time or money trying to get a low wattage 6505. The wattage isn't the problem or an issue.


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#30
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Ohhh I like that trick!



I'll report back as soon as someone buys one of my guitars so i can actually buy a 6505.
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#31
is an attenuator an option?
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#32
i don't think he is going to be near power tube distortion range on a 6505+. thats mostly preamp distortion. it would make it a tiny bit quieter, but they do taint your tone, and good ones are expensive and not in his budget.

attentuators are more valuable for NMV amps and just amps you gotta crank to get OD. that is when an attentuator makes the difference.
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#33
Quote by Tremolo Bum
In my opinion I would just get the 6505. At about 0.5 on the post gain it gets a full sound and is a reasonable volume. Anything lower and you lose the high end, but at 0.5 it isn't really that loud. Granted it will sound better with the volume up a bit more, but at lower volumes it still is nice and it gets loud quick.

I do this for "quiet" practice with the 120 watt head with all the tubes in.




Living in a condo I have had 3 6505/5150's, a Krankenstein, a Mark V, 3 DSL's and more that I can't remember right now.

Most have been 100+ watt amps, even the 6505 with no master volume was manageable. You'll need a noise gate to get the hiss out as it's a noisy amp in general. Just turn the post all the way down and then slowly turn it up.

Pulling 2 tubes on those amps is horse shit. All it really does is lower the head room and not the volume.

I'd rock a full on 6505 if it were me. You can try a volume pedal in the loop, I never needed it.

When you take it to jam or your parents aren't home you can really open it up. Keep in mind- room changes and volume changes- you'll have to re-eq any amp and that is normal.
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#34
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Living in a condo I have had 3 6505/5150's, a Krankenstein, a Mark V, 3 DSL's and more that I can't remember right now.

Most have been 100+ watt amps, even the 6505 with no master volume was manageable. You'll need a noise gate to get the hiss out as it's a noisy amp in general. Just turn the post all the way down and then slowly turn it up.

Pulling 2 tubes on those amps is horse shit. All it really does is lower the head room and not the volume.

I'd rock a full on 6505 if it were me. You can try a volume pedal in the loop, I never needed it.

When you take it to jam or your parents aren't home you can really open it up. Keep in mind- room changes and volume changes- you'll have to re-eq any amp and that is normal.


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#35
Quote by R45VT


Living in a condo I have had 3 6505/5150's, a Krankenstein, a Mark V, 3 DSL's and more that I can't remember right now.

Most have been 100+ watt amps, even the 6505 with no master volume was manageable. You'll need a noise gate to get the hiss out as it's a noisy amp in general. Just turn the post all the way down and then slowly turn it up.

Pulling 2 tubes on those amps is horse shit. All it really does is lower the head room and not the volume.

I'd rock a full on 6505 if it were me. You can try a volume pedal in the loop, I never needed it.

When you take it to jam or your parents aren't home you can really open it up. Keep in mind- room changes and volume changes- you'll have to re-eq any amp and that is normal.



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