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I was thinking about picking up that Blackstar HT Metal 5 watt head, along with the Blackstar HT Metal 50 watt cab. Now I play in an apartment so I'm not looking for a 100w head or anything like that, I can play loud, just not THAT loud. Question, would a 5 watt head work well with a 50 watt cab? And would it be usable for, recording, bedroom jamming, etc like that?

Here's the head, http://www.blackstaramps.com/products/ht-metal-5h/

Here's the Cabinet, http://www.blackstaramps.com/products/ht-metal-112/

Would I be able to play this rig at a semi low level and get a good tone? Without having to crank it loud enough to rattle the whole house? THanks guys.

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#2
Most modern metal amps with a halfway decent master volume are going to be fine for apartment playing through basically any reasonably sized cab. The wattage doesn't really factor into it besides making the head a bit cheaper. You're not going to get power tube breakup from a 5W amp at bedroom recording levels, and a 100W amp with a master volume is going to sound just fine at the same volumes.

So I'd concentrate on finding an amp that sounds great, and not worry about volume so much. With metal amps it's all preamp distortion anyway, so you should be able to get a good tone at nearly any volume independent of the wattage.
#3
Dunnow, there really are better things that the Blackstar HT5.

It has a solid state power section so it's pretty handy if you'll be recording a lot of stuff, though if you'll not be doing that a lot I advise looking for something else - a Jet City or a Vypyr Tube.

That cabinet is not an amazing idea either.
With the money you would save buying another amp you could definitely buy a nicer cab.
The harley benton G112/G212/G412 Vintage for example!
Or an orange PPC or a Mesa rectifier cab if you wanna put some more money in it.

Don't worry about 100w amps, they usually have volume controls too, ya know...
If the amp's power is equal or below the cab's power you're good.

To directly answer your question, yeah that would be a nice sounding rig indeed, but for the money you can get waaay better stuff.
Also it's not like you have to turn an amp up to 11 to make it sound good, especially when you're talking about one with a solid state power amp.
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Dunnow, there really are better things that the Blackstar HT5.

It has a solid state power section


It's kinda hybrid throughout- power tubes but SS phase inverter, preamp has op-amp gain stages and clipping diodes alongside two tube gain stages too.

I agree with you and colin about the volume/wattage thing, though. if a 100/50 watt high gainer turned down is too loud, a 5 watter will be too. IMO (and plenty of people disagree) the 50/100 watt high gainers start sounding pretty good way below the volume level of a cranked 5 watter. And at superlow volume levels the 5 watters often sound even worse than the higher wattage amps for some reaso.
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Question, would a 5 watt head work well with a 50 watt cab? And would it be usable for, recording, bedroom jamming, etc like that?


The wattage of the cabinet (as long as it's higher than the amp's output) is pretty much immaterial. Sensitivity of the individual speakers is another issue -- a pair of Rocket 50's has much lower sensitivity/efficiency than, say a pair of Vintage 30's. The latter will be louder for the same amp output.

And yes, it would be usable for all of those.
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The cab wattage just tells you about the power handling of the cabinet. It doesn't tell how loud the cabinet is (if you want to know that, look at the speaker sensitivity). You shouldn't overpower a cabinet but I don't think underpowering it does any harm. Just make sure you match the ohms.

Also, the site says "Designed to match the HT METAL 5 guitar amps" so it should work perfectly with the amp.
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That cab is the same as the regular HT cab, it just has a metal grill.
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The cab wattage just tells you about the power handling of the cabinet. It doesn't tell how loud the cabinet is (if you want to know that, look at the speaker sensitivity). You shouldn't overpower a cabinet but I don't think underpowering it does any harm. Just make sure you match the ohms.

Also, the site says "Designed to match the HT METAL 5 guitar amps" so it should work perfectly with the amp.


Too much headroom on some speakers sound a little sterile, but YMMV on that. Again, test the setup before you buy it.
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I would say yes that seems like a good plan. Since you live in apartment space may be an issue and HT-5 is a small lunchbox head, easily hid inside a closet if necessary. And the 1x12 is not a monster either. Wattage itself is quite irrelevant, amps have volume knobs for a reason. At worse it just seems like a waste to have a big ass tube head but you have to play it at whisper volumes (been there with my valveking).

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\At worse it just seems like a waste to have a big ass tube head but you have to play it at whisper volumes (been there with my valveking).


Exactly, that's what I was thinking. See the main type of music I play is mostly metal, thrash metal like Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, etc. Heavy metal like, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, stuff like that. I like to Detune and play songs from Sodom, or Kreator. Etc. But yeah, I tried a blackstar combo in a store a few months back and I really liked the sound, that's why I chose both the head and cab. I'm really not looking for a 100 watt monster amp, lol. I'm looking for something small, I can jam in my room with, or at my buddy's house with. Also, I have a Zoom G5 pedal for modulating tone and easy USB recording. So I kinda figured the amp would be perfect for me. Do you guys have any suggestions? I'm looking for more of a small half stack instead of a combo, to be honest.

Also, I'm looking for an amp I can get a heavy tone out of at a somewhat low volume. Not extremely low, but not loud enough to the point where it's rattling my whole apartment.
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Exactly, that's what I was thinking. See the main type of music I play is mostly metal, thrash metal like Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, etc. Heavy metal like, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, stuff like that. I like to Detune and play songs from Sodom, or Kreator. Etc. But yeah, I tried a blackstar combo in a store a few months back and I really liked the sound, that's why I chose both the head and cab. I'm really not looking for a 100 watt monster amp, lol. I'm looking for something small, I can jam in my room with, or at my buddy's house with. Also, I have a Zoom G5 pedal for modulating tone and easy USB recording. So I kinda figured the amp would be perfect for me. Do you guys have any suggestions? I'm looking for more of a small half stack instead of a combo, to be honest.

Also, I'm looking for an amp I can get a heavy tone out of at a somewhat low volume. Not extremely low, but not loud enough to the point where it's rattling my whole apartment.



If you liked the sound I say go for it. Since the Blackstar comes with the ISF knob that changes the voicing from Marshall to Mesa style it covers a lot of Thrash genres.

A lot of people here hate Blackstar due to their dubious marketing of HT series (they are hybrids but give impression that they are all tube) but I say **** that, use your own ears. There are definetly better sounding amps but I personally cant think of lunchbox one with same features in this price range. Closest would be Laney Ironheart Studio but that is more expensive.

*edit* Actually Ironheart IRT15H is in your price range, recording outputs and all, but that is single high gain channel amp only.

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"5 Watts is louder than hell. 50 Watts is marginally louder than hell."
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I think that was me. That's probably paraphrased, though.

I think it was 50 watts versus 100 watts. I can't remember exactly how I phrased it.
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