Unarmed Man Is Charged With Wounding Bystanders Shot by Police Near Times Square

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An unarmed, emotionally disturbed man shot at by the police as he was lurching around traffic near Times Square in September has been charged with assault, on the theory that he was responsible for bullet wounds suffered by two bystanders, according to an indictment unsealed in State Supreme Court in Manhattan on Wednesday.

Initially Mr. Broadnax was arrested on misdemeanor charges of menacing, drug possession and resisting arrest. But the Manhattan district attorney’s office persuaded a grand jury to charge Mr. Broadnax with assault, a felony carrying a maximum sentence of 25 years. Specifically, the nine-count indictment unsealed on Wednesday said Mr. Broadnax “recklessly engaged in conduct which created a grave risk of death.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/05/nyregion/unarmed-man-is-charged-with-wounding-bystanders-shot-by-police-near-times-square.html?_r=2&

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More like #NewYorkPoliceDepartment.
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it boggles my mind how cops don't have beanbag rounds handy for crowded areas/violent people who aren't fully in control (aka drunk, mentally ill, tripping sack)
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it boggles my mind how cops don't have beanbag rounds handy for crowded areas/violent people who aren't fully in control (aka drunk, mentally ill, tripping sack)

There are many accounts of officers reaching for their taser when they need to shoot someone, or their gun when they need to tase someone. Add to that the fact that they'd either A, have to carry an extra mag and switch that out (which involves removing the firearm from the holster to rack the lethal round out, which could likely escalate a situation), or B, carry a whole extra firearm, and it becomes somewhat unfeasible.

Not that there isn't a good solution to this.
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There are many accounts of officers reaching for their taser when they need to shoot someone, or their gun when they need to tase someone. Add to that the fact that they'd either A, have to carry an extra mag and switch that out, or B, carry a whole extra firearm, and it becomes somewhat unfeasible.

Not that there isn't a good solution to this.

Cops carrying two things at once...completely unfeasible
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Cops carrying two things at once...completely unfeasible

asking a bit much eh?

no sarcasm not sure if they can handle that much
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Cops carrying two things at once...completely unfeasible

I said "somewhat", not completely. The bulk of police officers are incredibly poorly trained, and it's well-documented that there have been scenarios where police pick the wrong thing when something is happening. Adding a third is just going to make it more likely that they **** up.
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when i read the title i thought the guy was charged for wounding innocent people that were shot by police


That's what it is. Bystanders get wounded because police shot at him while he was unarmed. And it's apparently his fault.
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it boggles my mind how cops don't have beanbag rounds handy for crowded areas/violent people who aren't fully in control (aka drunk, mentally ill, tripping sack)



Anecdotally from 2 of my childhood friends who are police officers, 95% of violent situations end with words or tasers. The other 5% make the news in which people base their entire opinion on police gun uses from.
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Quote by Skynyrd890
There are many accounts of officers reaching for their taser when they need to shoot someone, or their gun when they need to tase someone.


^ Citation needed

Officers often carry their firearm on their dominant side with the pistol grip facing the rear where as they carry a taser on their non-dominant side with the pistol grip facing the front.

While I'm not a police officer, I do have combat experience and can tell you that even in knee-jerk situations I have never reached for the wrong weapon.
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Err the only people who have guns in NYC are patrol cops, gang members, and people who keep one inside for incredibly huge fees.

The fact that he didn't have a gun and having one is HUGE deal there makes this even more ridiculous lol.
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I said "somewhat", not completely. The bulk of police officers are incredibly poorly trained, and it's well-documented that there have been scenarios where police pick the wrong thing when something is happening. Adding a third is just going to make it more likely that they **** up.

If they're poorly trained, they shouldn't be carrying a deadly weapon.
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fuck america. that country is getting shittier every day.
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^ Citation needed

Officers often carry their firearm on their dominant side with the pistol grip facing the rear where as they carry a taser on their non-dominant side with the pistol grip facing the front.

While I'm not a police officer, I do have combat experience and can tell you that even in knee-jerk situations I have never reached for the wrong weapon.



That's because your M4 was taking up both of your hands. You're not the only one with overseas experience on this board. I'd think twice before pulling the hardass card.
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I can't see a jury convicting him for that charge, to be honest.
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I can't see a jury convicting him for that charge, to be honest.


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i didn't know menacing was a crime
explains why ts' mom is always in handcuffs
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I can't see a jury convicting him for that charge, to be honest.


To be honest I likely see it going away in a plea deal.
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Cops carrying two things at once...completely unfeasible


I can understand what you are saying, but you're forgetting the fact that they are already carrying around 30 pounds of gear on their belts as it is, along with pepper spray, a baton, a taser... It does become unfeasible at some point.

Add to that the part where police training is usually horrific and not done much at all besides year qualification (which a lot of them fail anyways but are still put on the street). As far as weapons training, what the police do is kind of a joke. Unless you happen to be on a SWAT team where you get thousands of rounds to train each year your aren't getting much training.

Shooting 40 rounds at a 4 foot by 6 foot target standing still at 7 yards with a 50% hit ratio once a year isn't training....Thats a glorified range trip.
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If they're poorly trained, they shouldn't be carrying a deadly weapon.


Yup. If you are going to carry a weapon with you (whether professionally or as a private citizen) you NEED to have training. All too often (especially with larger police departments) training is written off as a un-need expense. And thus we have problems like this.

Proper firearms training takes lots of time and money - two things that most law enforcement agencies don't have much of. Honestly, its a surprise this sort of stuff doesn't happen more often.
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There are many accounts of officers reaching for their taser when they need to shoot someone, or their gun when they need to tase someone. Add to that the fact that they'd either A, have to carry an extra mag and switch that out (which involves removing the firearm from the holster to rack the lethal round out, which could likely escalate a situation), or B, carry a whole extra firearm, and it becomes somewhat unfeasible.

Not that there isn't a good solution to this.




Doesn't seem too difficult to me. The pneu gun ballistic baton. Basically a mini beanbag gun. Short range, but highly effective.
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Doesn't seem too difficult to me. The pneu gun ballistic baton. Basically a mini beanbag gun. Short range, but highly effective.


And entirely impractical.

You have no idea how real world stressful/combat situations work, do you?
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And entirely impractical.

You have no idea how real world stressful/combat situations work, do you?


Seriously, a whole lot of "Captain Hindsight" going on here by people with little to no experience outside of their parents houses..
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And entirely impractical.

You have no idea how real world stressful/combat situations work, do you?


Yes, because random drunk dudes or psychotic unarmed hobos create so much stress that it's a better idea to have the cops use guns so they can shoot innocent bystanders
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Yes, because random drunk dudes or psychotic unarmed hobos create so much stress that it's a better idea to have the cops use guns so they can shoot innocent bystanders





Thank you Captain Hindsight!!!!
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It's not like this just happened for the first time and, hindsight being 20/20, making judgments that you can't blame the cops for.

But this is far from the first time it's happened (didn't 9 people get shot during the summer in times square?), and it won't be the last. It's not a CONSTANTLY recurring issue, but it's certainly happened enough that the cops should already have been thinking, "y'know, maybe firing lethal weapons into crowds of people isn't the best idea."
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It's not like this just happened for the first time and, hindsight being 20/20, making judgments that you can't blame the cops for.

But this is far from the first time it's happened (didn't 9 people get shot during the summer in times square?),
and it won't be the last. It's not a CONSTANTLY recurring issue, but it's certainly happened enough that the cops should already have been thinking, "y'know, maybe firing lethal weapons into crowds of people isn't the best idea."



2 people, not 9. Secondly, lethal force is usually the last option. After a shooting, they have to be placed on administrative leave while the shooting is investigated and then, if they are cleared, they are allowed back in service.

People would bitch and sue even if it was pepper spray, bean bag, rubber bullets, etc.

The problem with a non lethal agent against a possibly mentally unstable target is, you hit them with that and they don't go down (which does happen, frequently) you run the risk of a now further enraged and agitated individual taking hostages, injuring others, etc.

Now people will start crying :"they should have just shot him if the bean bags and pepper spray wouldn't work.."

It's a catch 22.
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And entirely impractical.

You have no idea how real world stressful/combat situations work, do you?

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Seriously, a whole lot of "Captain Hindsight" going on here by people with little to no experience outside of their parents houses..



Thanks for educating us on the topic of weapons, people from Southern US states!

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Thanks for educating us on the topic of weapons, people from Southern US states!



Which means what? Apart from ignorant stereotyping..
#39
I'm not going to argue about this individual case, but the hysterical reactions of members of the public to harmless homeless psychotics is almost as mad.

Psychotics wouldn't seem nearly so frightening to people if they stopped being bigoted cunts
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Which means what? Apart from ignorant stereotyping..

Sorry, I'm not annoyed that you're Southern, but I can't help but point out the fact that you're Southern when I'm annoyed. I'm sure you understand why I'm not glad you took time off from your day specifically to point out that, the people who shot innocent people, and then pointed their blaming finger at some other people, didn't have much time to think.
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