#1
I don't know how many people/threads/whatever I see about guys with a rig that includes 3,4,5,6+ pedals, sometimes 2-3 pedals just for overdrive/distortion. Makes me think about that Richards quote in the thread title. And yes I know he has used pedals before.

I'm just really curious, for guys with a lot of pedals, do you constantly use them, or is it just for certain songs? I've found that I can get pretty close to the sound I'm looking for by just fiddling with my guitar/amp controls no matter what tone I'm trying to get - with a consensus of I know that its going to be extremely tough to exactly replicate somebody's tone.

I ask because I've been reading into OD pedals and seems like everyone needs one whereas I am honestly perfectly comfortable with just my amp. It has built in reverb which is the only thing I've ever needed.
#2
Good for you


Not everyone plays the same styles as you and some people like adding textures to their sound.

Besides the Stones suck
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#3
Everybody has an opinion.

Keith Richards used minimal distortion on most songs, probably enough to just use the natural distortion from the amp. I can only think of a couple of songs like "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" where it seems like he may have used a pedal for extra distortion.

A lot of his songs have a fullness to the tone that just doesn't seem possible to get from the amp (or at least I can't seem to get it after trying several different amps). He got into doing a ton of post-production work (56 different tracks mixed into one song on "Exile") in the early 1970's, and I suspect he's given his own tracks a lot of tweaking.
#4
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Besides the Stones suck


A-frickin'-men!! Knew I couldn't be the only one.

And that'd suck pretty bad if everyone used your rig ts, no offense. Variety is the spice of life right? If you wanna be monotonous, that's fine, but why hate on others who don't.
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#5
When I have played the Stones I didn't use pedals either except for maybe a boost for solos. I would rock up with just a combo and a tubescreamer.
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#6
Use what works for you. If you are a "guitar through an amp - period!" kind of player, then go for it. On the other hand, if you want to be the first-call replacement guitarist for The Mars Volta, then you had better have more pedals than Imelda Marcos had shoes. Music is a very personal thing. There is room for everyone.

Old "Keef" not only uses a minimal setup; he removes the low "E" string from his guitars. His go-to Telecaster even has the polepiece for that string removed from the bridge pickup. Half a century of drowning one's brain in numerous controlled substances can have strange effects, but it seems to work for him.
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#7
I've tried both sides of the "tap-dance".
For years I rocked wahs, added flangers and phasers and then added delay, overdrive, fuzz, compression and noise suppression.
Then one day, I felt lazy and didn't feel like digging out my pedalboard from its case after a trip and decided I'd just grab a short cable and plug into the same old amp.
Anyway, I've didn't plug in my board for over a year! I learned more about what my hands can do in that time then all the time I did stepping on pedals from the start. Now, I'm adding some things back slowly. I use things more sparingly. But then in the last 6 months its been going back the other way again. I guess it never stops.
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#8
There's something raw about just plugging straight onto a good tube amp, mine really cuts and sounds amazing loud, but having a bit of stuff to shape things is always a good thing IMO
#9
I'm not trying to hate on pedals, it was a legit question. Of course everyone has an opinion and in addition to that we all likely play different types of music. I'm sure in the future it is something I will look into, as I know my overdrive tones could use a little shaping. One of the reason I started looking into this stuff in the first place. The quote is just a jumping off point to conversation, and the Stones are just one example of a band and their sound.

I am simply curious as to how others go about finding their tone, as give me ideas on how to attempt to foray into getting other sounds. I mentioned how I can't match the tone of many artists I like.

One thing I will disagree on is the Stones, they are amazing and Keith's tone on Honky Tonk Women is phenomenal.

Monkey leg, I do know he runs 2 amps together to get his sound (Fenders for sure, I want to say Tweeds)

And also to other user above, he does take away the low E on some of his guitars but that's just for when he's in Open G
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#10
It's generally just a preference. I've used amps that don't need them at all.
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I'm not trying to hate on pedals, it was a legit question. Of course everyone has an opinion and in addition to that we all likely play different types of music. I'm sure in the future it is something I will look into, as I know my overdrive tones could use a little shaping. One of the reason I started looking into this stuff in the first place. The quote is just a jumping off point to conversation, and the Stones are just one example of a band and their sound.


One thing I will disagree on is the Stones, they are amazing and Keith's tone on Honky Tonk Women is phenomenal.


I played most of my life with only a guitar and amp, I now use minimal pedals.

The Beatles and Led Zeppelin are amazing, the Stones are not. Don't get me wrong, they have a couple of decent songs, but to me having 1/2 a dozen decent songs in 50 yrs is not amazing. It is lucky they made it.

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#13
I did the standard thing of "BUY ALL THE PEDALS" when I started. A little while later I sold almost all of them and reverted back to just the amp. It's really refreshing to do, and I think everyone should as it helps build your own sound, from your fingers!

Since then the collection has increased again, got an OCD, might get a Bad Monkey today as well. It then becomes just about specific sounds you want to do. But I don't rely on them. My tone is in my fingers and that's the same regardless of what amp/pedals I'm going through.
#14
Im of the belief that a od infront of the amp and an eq through the loop, is just essential to have with just about any amp. All the other stuff is fluff, but its good fluff

Then again I used to think id never need pedals years ago rocking my line 6 spider 2 15w. haha
#15
Keith Richards may be an expert on 'ODs' but not in the sense we use the term.
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#16
I currently front an alt-country band but liking post-rock and shoegaze can adversely affect you - I don't really trust any sort of guitar sound that doesn't involve reverb or fuzz anymore. I mostly play clean(ish) through reverb and slapback echo, with an overdrive for when I need a bit of a kick and a fuzz for the garage-blues and big wall of sound moments. It's a very mimimalist setup for me - on my main pedalboard that I use at home and with my other band there's about 10 pedals...
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#17
The stuf my band plays requires clean sounds, different levels of overdrive, louder overdrive, delay, reverb, and combinations of all that. All in one song. If you know a good amp that can do all that practically then awesome, but I dont want it -_-
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#18
Depends on what I am playing. Generally I want my guitar to sound as massive as possible so I'm running a delay (normally a really fast one with 20 repeats) a reverb and a modulation at all times. So yeah I pretty much just leave it on.
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#19
I used to have like 12 fuzz pedals, but now I usually run a couple fuzzes, another distortion, a phaser, and a delay. 6 or 7 at the most. Any more than that I feel starts to get a bit redundant and hard to manage.
#20
I have a few pedals but only use 2 of them in my chain... my OD is always on to tighten up the bottom-end of my amp, and I use my Fulltone boost to give me a little more gain and upper-mids for solos. I literally never use the clean channel on my amp for my band's songs, though. My setup gives me enough control to add or remove distortion as I need via playing dynamics and the volume knob.
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