#1
Hey

I'm looking for my first electric guitar. I have been playing the acoustic for quite some years now, and I'd like to get started on the electric.
I think about getting an Epiphone Les Paul, would that be a good idea? And if it would be a good idea, which model would you recommend (Special II, 100, Standard, Custom)? And what kind of amp would you recommend (not too expensive)? I play a lot of styles, but rock is my favorite

And umm.. Anyone who has experience with the Epiphone Les Paul Performance Packs? How would you rate the amp that comes with the pack? I guess it's not really good, but I want to be sure.

Thank you in advance!

xMusicGirlx
#2
1. What's your budget? I couldn't very well reccommend you get the Epi LP Custom if you only have 100$ to spend. The Standard and the Custom are pretty good guitars though, so if you have the budget, go for either of those and a decent amplifier.

2. I usually reccommend beginners to get some form of modeling amplifier, especially if you're not sure what kind of sound you want. The Roland Cube series is pretty good, as is Peavey's Vypyr.

3. As a rule of thumb, even as a beginner you'll want something better than a starterpack.
The Epiphone performance pack is no different - the Specials aren't the greatest guitars, and the amp isn't anything worth writing home about either.
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#3
I plan to spend between € 300,- and € 400,- on the guitar. Not sure about the amp yet. I guess I don't know enough about amps yet to set a budget.

A friend of mine said I might try a Line6 POD HD 500. But I didn't really understand if I would also need a cabinet or something like that? And how does it sound? Very "digital"? Anyone who has personal experience?

In fact, I would love to have a rock sound. Something like my favorite guitar player, Brad Avery (rocking the white LP in this video: http://). Or Day of Fire. They're also awesome. (http://).

Yeah, I already thought those starterpacks weren't really good, but I just wanted to be sure. To be honest, I want to buy something which will be good for a few years. I have been "playing" the acoustic for 10 years, but I got serious about playing approximately 3 or 4 years ago. So I do already know I like it, and I think it's definitely something which is worth the investment!
#4
yeah if you've been playing acoustic for a while (even if you haven't ) i'd avoid starter packs as Psi says.

a yamaha pacifica 112v is pretty good as an all-rounder guitar. i'm not saying you can't do better if you're willing to spend more (or come across a good deal in a sale or similar), but as a readily-available, easy to find guitar, it's hard to go too far wrong with.

if you don't need loads of volume a vox mini3 or roland microcube for the amp would be pretty nice. the roland tends to be better at heavier stuff, the vox better at lighter stuff.

you'll also need an instrument cable, strap, some plectrums and a spare set of strings. a guitar stand (or gig bag if you're moving around with it) wouldn't hurt either. oh and a tuner (handheld one at around 10 euro will be fine).
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#5
I'd recommend an Ibanez GRG or Yamaha Pacifica for a first electric. For an amp, Fender Mustang I/II is the way to go for most styles of blues/rock/metal (excluding death metal). For heavier tones go for the Peavey Vypyr 15/30

I'm assuming you've never handled a tremolo system before, so unless you want to have a guitar tech set up your guitar every time you change strings, I'd stay away from Floyd Roses. Especially the cheap licensed ones. You wouldn't really need a tremolo unless you're playing 80's rock/metal(Van Halen) or virtuoso stuff(Satriani, Vai, Malmsteen) so a vintage trem(on squier guitars) or a hardtail would be best.

If you're getting a modeling amp, stay far away from other modeling units like the Pod HD 500. Or get a nice clean amp and run the Pod. Modeling on modeling will sound terrible. The sound from the amp will "fight" the modeler and the modeler will "fight" back.

Also you could be a bit more specific. What is a rock sound to you? 80's hair metal/glam rock(Poison/ Bon jovi) sounds very different from stoner rock (Pink Floyd) and all those sound very different from hard rock(GN'R/ ACDC).
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Quote by darrenram1
What is a rock sound to you?


Well, I guess if you check out these videos you may get a grasp of what I love (especially the riffs/solos in these songs):

Brad Avery (Third Day)

Consuming Fire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl1oL7U4QjI

Falling to Pieces

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIDoVeK6j4k

Alien

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1f6dPzYjNU

Gomer's Theme

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T10aVe8pPew

THE HIDDEN TRACK (starts at 5:11)!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKv1zjZ1UUU


Day of Fire

Landslide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZqPT30pmpo

Jacob's Dream

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S86qrOGbi_Q

Sorry, that were A LOT of videos but I guess you do have an idea what sound I love, now. (:
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#7
that's a pretty big range of tones there. as darrenram says, if you can stretch, a 15 watt peavey vypyr (i haven't tried it but it has a good rep) might be good for the heavier stuff, or a mustang (again, haven't tried ). the advantage of the little mini ones i mentioned is they're a bit cheaper, plus portable, so you might find a use for them even when you get a better, bigger amp later. But at the same time for using them now, the 15 watt (or bigger) modellers might be better, especially if you're going to jam with friends etc. It's really up to you and what your budget is etc.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#8
^ The only reason I hate most mini amps is that they run on battery. And you have to keep buying batteries.

xMusicGirlx, that is definitely not what came to mind when you said rock tones. From what I can tell, you'll probably want a Les Paul or similar. Check out Xaviere guitars. Generally good reviews but I can't speak from experience. Either that or Agile guitars. Still not speaking from experience.

If you can stretch your budget slightly, I recommend this rig,

Guitar:
http://www.guitarfetish.com/XV-500-Series-Solid-Mahogany-SOLID-carved-Maple-Tops_c_182.html
http://www.rondomusic.com/al3010sebluef2.html

Amp:
Tube - http://www.thomann.de/gb/vox_ac4_cream.htm

Modeling - http://www.thomann.de/gb/fender_mustang_i_v2.htm

Pickup swap (optional)
Neck - http://www.guitarfetish.com/GFS-Classic-II-Alnico-2-Vintage-Wound-Gold-Humbucker-Neck-Position_p_297.html

Bridge - http://www.guitarfetish.com/VEH-Vintage-Extra-Hot-Gold-The-BROWN-SOUND-Bridge-Position_p_787.html

Pedals(only get these if you're getting the Vox AC4)

OD - http://www.joyoaudio.com/en/product/show_124.html

EQ - http://www.joyoaudio.com/en/product/show_113.html

This is basically my rig, excluding those guitars. (Mine are going to be Ibanez RG/S series ) Hope this helps.
#9
Thanks y'all for your help.

And er...

Quote by darrenram1
xMusicGirlx, that is definitely not what came to mind when you said rock tones.


It doesn't rock? o.O

Quote by darrenram1
From what I can tell, you'll probably want a Les Paul or similar.


Yeah my first thought was that I wanted to get myself a Les Paul, so I guess I'll just go to the Epi/Gibson dealer and try some


Does anyone know if the Peavey Vypyr VIP 2 is good (and if it fits the sound I want)? You should be able to run your acoustic also through this combo, does that sound good? And would I also need extra pedals (nothing special but something I need to start with; e.g. an overdrive pedal)? Or is that already in the amp?

Thank you in advance (:

EDIT:

Btw;

Quote by darrenram1
If you can stretch your budget slightly, I recommend this rig,


Well, no neeed to stretch my budget for that, it does all fit perfectly inside my budget (: I plan to spend between € 300,- and € 400,- on the guitar, and I think between € 250,- and € 300,- on the amp, so this is all just fine.
Last edited by xMusicGirlx at Jan 2, 2014,
#10
Quote by xMusicGirlx


It doesn't rock? o.O


1. Rock has many different styles. I play 80's hard rock/hair metal and 90's trash metal so...(think GNR, Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, Van halen, Metallica and Megadeth)

Does anyone know if the Peavey Vypyr VIP 2 is good (and if it fits the sound I want)? You should be able to run your acoustic also through this combo, does that sound good? And would I also need extra pedals (nothing special but something I need to start with; e.g. an overdrive pedal)? Or is that already in the amp?



2.The vypyr(the regular ones i dont know about the VIPs) are more suited to heavier kinds of music (eg Day of Fire) and less like that brad avery guy. Whatever you do don't get an OD/Distortion pedal. It will fizz and become extremely noisy with any kind of modelling amp. I have the EHX Big Muff with my Mustang and it's really horrible sounding. I sounded alot better with a Marshall MG . If you're planning on going the modeling route don't try to mix it with analogue FX. If you're going the analogue route, modeling pedals (Line 6 Distortion Modeler) will be fine.
#11
If you can spend 300 euros on the amp jet cities are within range on thomann (the 2212 combo is under budget, and the 5012 combo is ~40 euros over- they're the ones you want, the high gain ones). but whether that's sensible/necessary, I dunno. a modeller would let you hear a range of tones to see what you like, and the cheaper ones like the mini3 or microcube won't eat too much into your bigger amp budget, and also likely still be useful when you get a better amp.

also les pauls can be heavy and upper fret access isn't too great. lots of people (myself included) still like them in spite of that, but it's worth bearing in mind too.

Quote by darrenram1
(a) ^ The only reason I hate most mini amps is that they run on battery. And you have to keep buying batteries.

(b) xMusicGirlx, that is definitely not what came to mind when you said rock tones. From what I can tell, you'll probably want a Les Paul or similar. Check out Xaviere guitars. Generally good reviews but I can't speak from experience. Either that or Agile guitars. Still not speaking from experience.

(c) If you can stretch your budget slightly, I recommend this rig,

Guitar:
http://www.guitarfetish.com/XV-500-Series-Solid-Mahogany-SOLID-carved-Maple-Tops_c_182.html
http://www.rondomusic.com/al3010sebluef2.html

Amp:
Tube - http://www.thomann.de/gb/vox_ac4_cream.htm

Modeling - http://www.thomann.de/gb/fender_mustang_i_v2.htm

Pickup swap (optional)
Neck - http://www.guitarfetish.com/GFS-Classic-II-Alnico-2-Vintage-Wound-Gold-Humbucker-Neck-Position_p_297.html

Bridge - http://www.guitarfetish.com/VEH-Vintage-Extra-Hot-Gold-The-BROWN-SOUND-Bridge-Position_p_787.html

Pedals(only get these if you're getting the Vox AC4)

OD - http://www.joyoaudio.com/en/product/show_124.html

EQ - http://www.joyoaudio.com/en/product/show_113.html

This is basically my rig, excluding those guitars. (Mine are going to be Ibanez RG/S series ) Hope this helps.


(a) Nah the mini3 and microcube also have mains adaptors.

(b) sounded close enough to me

(c) I wouldn't get a low wattage tube amp for heavier tones. you'll have to start faffing about buying pedals and the like, and it still isn't really aimed at those type of tones. i'd get a cheaper modeller at the start, and then later maybe get a jet city or something like that for the heavier tones.

EDIT: she's also in europe so i'd avoid GFS which is US-based.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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Presumably because the CCF (Combined Corksniffing Forces) of MLP and Gibson forums would rise up against them, plunging the land into war.

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#12
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also les pauls can be heavy and upper fret access isn't too great. lots of people (myself included) still like them in spite of that, but it's worth bearing in mind too.

Yeah I read that they can be pretty heavy. I will go to a dealer and see how it feels myself. And concerning the upper fret access; I don't really use those frequently, but I will see how it feels when I go to the dealer. I have actually never touched a Les Paul, but I have heard them and from how they sound I can tell I DEFINITELY want them (:

And do you guys know if the Marshall MG30CFX is a good amp and if it fits the sound I love? And is this a modeling amp (i.e. would I also need extra pedals)?

Thanks for all your help! (:
#14
no the marshall mg isn't a modeller, as killing hand says. supposedly the newer version is marginally better, but the older version i've tried was terrible. one of the modellers mentioned (in my opinion) sounds better and is far more versatile. or if you want to go the tube route the jet city will utterly, utterly smoke it so hard it's not even funny.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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Presumably because the CCF (Combined Corksniffing Forces) of MLP and Gibson forums would rise up against them, plunging the land into war.

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Et tu, br00tz?
#15
I have heard very good things about Jet City, at least in terms of value for money.
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#16
Completely forgot about Jet city. That amp is on my watch list since I can't seem to find the Vox AC4. Some people mention that you don't get good headroom on the amp though. I have tried the new MG line. They're okay, but the Mustang still seems the better option if you want to avoid pedals.
#17
If you're not gigging and not a complete volume ***** then a Yamaha THR10X amp is pretty sweet
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#18
Jet City wouldn't work for me. I cannot find a dealer here in Holland where they sell it.

EDIT: And I really wanna try before I buy (especially 'cause this is my first amp)
Last edited by xMusicGirlx at Jan 3, 2014,
#20
Quote by xMusicGirlx
Jet City wouldn't work for me. I cannot find a dealer here in Holland where they sell it.

EDIT: And I really wanna try before I buy (especially 'cause this is my first amp)


no worries

one of the modellers then. it's probably more sensible for a first amp anyway.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#21
Id get the Epiphone les paul studio. Because it has all the features of the better LPs but they cut some cosmetics. I have one and it is the most reliable guitar i have ever owned. Great guitar.

As for amps Id go with the peavey Vypyr (vip or not). Best amp for under $500.