#1
Ok so I own a Deluxe Reverb and a Vox VT20+. I'm starting to grow sick of the Vox because it's fairly muddy and I don't lie the tone anymore. It's fairly digital sounding. I want to invest in a small tube amp for around $400 or less. I believe I can use the Deluxe as a cab so it could be a amp head. I've played the Vox AC4C1 and I really liked the gain and volume, but it was a 10 inch speaker, and chords on it could have been clearer. I was wondering how tube sounding the Vypyr Tube is? I like having options but I don't want any modeling amp that doesn't sound authentic. I play blues, classic rock, and heavier stuff but I have a few overdrive pedals and a good metal distortion.
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#2
Yea I like the Vox AC4 too. Great little amp. You could get the head only too if you prefer using the Deluxe as a cab.
#3
Would that solve the muddiness?
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#4
Ermm .......... what's wrong with the Deluxe?
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#5
Too much headroom. Way too much headroom. I don't have a lot of space and it takes a lot to get there. Whereas the Vox, for example, was the perfect volume.
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#6
Just push it harder. A good boost will cost you a lot less.
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#7
Well I have good overdrive pedals but the volume it takes to break up is too loud.
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#8
The way to do it (how I run my JTM45 when I want to be quiet) is keep the amp volume down and push the preamp with a pedal or three. I get plenty of useable preamp distortion for the task. I mean if you are playing that quietly it's just for you isn't it? You should be able to get plenty of distortion without relying on power amp distortion.
Or is the problem that you have trouble controlling the volume at low levels because Fender have done their asinine practice of using linear pots for volume?
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#9
Both really. I just want an authentic blues tone and the volume for the Deluxe to switch from bright to warm is high
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#10
If it was me I'd probably just add a PPIMV, well as long as it was out of warranty of course. Would still be preamp distortion but would probably deliver what you need close enough.

But first I'd make sure I had a log pot in the thing. Replace that and you probably wouldn't even need the PPIMV.
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#11
I don't understand. I'm also GAS'ing super hard for Marshall tone.
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#12
If you have a linear volume pot it will make it very hard to use at low volume, that's why everybody else uses log pots. With a linear pot if you start driving the preamp hard with pedals it makes the volume knob a total bitch at low volumes.

A PPIMV is a "post phase inverter master volume." Basically a stereo pot between the phase inverter and the power tubes. It effectively becomes the master volume and current volume knob becomes the gain knob.

Replacing the volume knob and adding a PPIMV is a common thing to do on Deluxes. It makes them much easier to live with.
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#13
Ohhhh. so a modified master volume. Yeah I could roll with that. But how much can I minimize it by before it affects my tone?
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#14
Well it will never sound the same as when you crank it to get power tube distortion but it will get you quite a nice sound. If you do it right, having the PPIMV dimed will sound identical to having no MV at all. Turned down, the proportion of preamp vs power amp is different (more preamp) to running the amp stock and cranked but still a good sound nonetheless. It is a compromise but quite a decent one.
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#15
the 22watters are''nt that loud for breakup. i am acquaintances (we are on a first name basis) with a quickly rising blues musician (Damon Fowler) . he just uses a DRRI just about every time yea its mic'd but stage volume is definitely pretty close.

I generally don't like attentuaters but maybe iit would fix part or your problem.
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#16
I'd be very surprised if simply changing the volume pot wasn't enough to make it useable.
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#17
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I'd be very surprised if simply changing the volume pot wasn't enough to make it useable.


if that was the only problem that would be great.

Cath what is your opinion on an attnentuator in his position?
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#18
It's not a bad solution but his main problem seems to be that when he boosts it he can't control it - that's the volume pot.
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#19
No it's not so much the boost as the need to turn it up a lot to get warmth. I also can't get over my Marshall GAS.
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#20
Quote by Cathbard
It's not a bad solution but his main problem seems to be that when he boosts it he can't control it - that's the volume pot.


yea. i have soldered and unsoldered PCB mounted pots, but isn't the easiest thing to with no experience but if the OP wants to do it that would best off if his has that .

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#21
Where are you? There are a few small Marshall options, but which way to go depends on your location really. Might be worth getting 311 to do one of his famous gear searches.
Although, loading your amp up with JJ's and using a carefully dialled in EQ may get you close enough. It's never gonna sound like an 18W'er or even a Class 5 really but you should be able to get something acceptable.
Changing newer Fender pots is a pita, as trashed said, but I'd do it regardless. Linear volume pots are moronic.
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#22
Sorry for the bump. I''m in the Hampton Roads area, Virginia. I REEALLLY want a class 5.
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#23
If you really want a Class 5 then just make it happen. They are cool amps.

I see a Peavey Classic 30 on your craigslist but not much else.


This maybe:
http://norfolk.craigslist.org/msg/4247148939.html VHT 18 combo
http://norfolk.craigslist.org/msg/4259604233.html These Tweakers are pretty cool too.
http://norfolk.craigslist.org/msg/4246569841.html Laney AOR 30 - never seen one but pretty much marshall tones
http://norfolk.craigslist.org/msg/4250520450.html DSL15 - a bit sketchy


I think you were also asking about the Vypyr tube amps. I own one if have any questions. They are kind of in a different ballpark but nice none the less.
#24
Out of those I think I'd grab the Tweaker.
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