#1
A little help here? I see countless articles and lessons about using the pentatonic scale but I wanna try out using the actual major scale (including all 7 modes) Any advice and examples are appreciated
Theory is just...wow. I'm getting a bit over my head by trying to learn so much w/o formal educators

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#2
**** that, you wanna know how to solo period. Excluding notes out of your repertoire at all is not the way to go. Learn about music and sound, by that i mean, familiarize yourself with the harmony thats going on around you, and then use your ears to know what will fit over it and when. For this to seem way less overwhelming i would advise you to learn some blues, and i dont mean Blues minor pentatonicshitscale blues, Listen to B.B. King, guys who dabble in jazz, or just go straight to jazz if youre not fond of the bending. But this will start you on your journey to understanding music with your mind and ears.
#3
Pick a key.
Find a backing track.
Practice.

The major scale contains all the modes. Don't worry about then now, they're not gonna help you sound better in any way.
#4
I alway like the guitar solo from detroit rock city.
It's pretty. There's 1/2 intervals in it.
You know it's a minor becuase of the -3
( if there's a -3..you know most likely there's a -7)
It has a -6 in it. It also has a -2
If you're familar with that. In sounds and fingering. It's a Phrygian.
The solo has questions and answers phrasing in it...
It gives the solo meanings rather than just mindless random meaningless notes.
It's not super fast but it's beautiful melody will just pop into your head throughout
your life time.lol
Beucase you can hummm it over and over again in your head.
You can figure it out and play it.

The first guitar break at 1:49 is a minor pentatonic riff.
It'll give you a good example of playing the same riff then changing the tone center.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfiV77Q_8zk

Hopefully you know those 5 pentatonic patterns that fits together like a jig saw puzzle
like the back of your hands. I personally see it as in the key of A minor pentatonic.
Hopefully you know where that ROOT NOTE is. At verious places of the neck.
I play the entire 5 patterns like one big box :p Meaning whatever the heck inversion
people term it to be.lol

It's also the major pentatonic scale...if I use a different root note.
Example is the A note at the 5th fret of the E string being the A minor pentatonic.
Using those same pattern..The 7th fret C note as a root. It's a C major pentatonic.
So it's the difference in playing a major 3 or minor 3rd from the root.
It's also the differents in the playing a flat 7 or a natraul 6.

If you break every down into just 1 octive...there's only 2 patterns.
A minor or major pattern.
So when playing a more complete scale it's just a matter of adding 2 more notes.
Those 1/2 intervals.

Depending where I add those 2 notes..it'll define the scale more.
In the minor skeleton its the 2 and 6
Example...If i add a -2 to a minor pentatonic
I know it's either going to be a phrygian or locrian.

If I add a 2
It's going to be either the Aeolian or Dorian
To fine it more from the aeolian from a dorain.
If I add -6 it's going to be the aeolian.
If i add the natural 6 it's going to be dorian.

The samething in the major pentatonic. its the (4 and 7)
The major pentaonic had a major3 and natraul 6 in it.
If i add a -7. I know its over the dominate chord becuase of the -7.
It'll just create 1/2 interval between the the 6 and -7

If I add a perfect 4 and 7..well that's ionian.
The basic of knowing the diatonic. 1/2 step between the 3,4 and 7,8(root)

If i raise the 4th or augment it. it'll give me the lydian.
it'll simply create 1/2 step between the +4,5 and 7,8
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#5
When someone says "use [whatever] scale", it doesn't necessarily mean to use only that scale for the entire piece. You can use the major pentatonic over the I chord, but in order to follow the harmony, you need to change your scale/note choices as the harmony moves.

If you take a I IV V progression and use the corresponding major pentatonic for each chord, you'll be using the whole major scale, just 5 notes at a time.

For example, if a piece has the chords C F and G, you could play C major pent. over the C, F pent. over the F, and G pent over the G. Minding the harmony is how you can use scales without sounding like you're playing scales.
#6
Its exaclty like cdgrave say...Use the pentatonic as a skeleton when shifting tone center.

If you which to define it more. Add the 2 missing notes.
If you wish to play out of key. Its still going to be a major sound
becuase of the major 3rd and natraul 6.
In other words you can play C ionian, C lydian, or C mixolian ovre a Cmaj chord or the I
and still be in harmony becuase they all have 1,3,5 arppegios in them.

Sometimes if you play scales...they sound good accending and not
so good decending.lol
Jazz players just call them different names.

You can still play other modes in them...just dont hit the -3.lol
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#7
I...am so lost here tbh. I don't care about modes since its simply the major scale so I rarely jump into the specifics unless I'm tryna figure out what key I'm in. I only brought it up to avoid anyone saying "just learn the minor scale and you'll be done"

I was just wondering how a major scale can play into a solo rather than the usual pentatonic like I see everywhere
Theory is just...wow. I'm getting a bit over my head by trying to learn so much w/o formal educators

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#8
In a solo there is no difference between the two to the average listener.

C maj pent, F maj pent, and G maj pent all have the notes of the C major scale.

You are just working harder with 3 scales to get the same sound that I would get with just knowing the major scale.
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I...am so lost here tbh. I don't care about modes since its simply the major scale so I rarely jump into the specifics unless I'm tryna figure out what key I'm in. I only brought it up to avoid anyone saying "just learn the minor scale and you'll be done"

I was just wondering how a major scale can play into a solo rather than the usual pentatonic like I see everywhere

What? Here's a simple approach:

1. If you're in a major key use the major scale while emphasising the notes in each individual chord (the chord tones) for the duration of that chord.
2. If there's a chord that has notes outside the major scale, you might want to play the notes from that chord instead of the corresponding ones from the scale.
3. You can use passing tones from outside the scale.

And the same with minor scales, really.
#10
I dont understand how you can get lost.
It's even the chords structure.
Play the melody to the flintstone.lol What notes do you hear? arpeggios?

I'll give you a clue...there's a note call a leading tone.
It's in the 1/2 interval cataglory
it leads into the tone.lol

When you do the circle of 5th...what 2 notes do you think are shifting?

I C, E , G, B, D, F, A or should i wirte it out like this Cmaj7add9,11,13.lol

IV F, A, C, E, G, B, D

V G, B, D, F, A, C, E
#11
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I...am so lost here tbh. I don't care about modes since its simply the major scale so I rarely jump into the specifics unless I'm tryna figure out what key I'm in. I only brought it up to avoid anyone saying "just learn the minor scale and you'll be done"

I was just wondering how a major scale can play into a solo rather than the usual pentatonic like I see everywhere



You do use the whole scale, just not all the same phrase. You have to change your notes as the chords change, but within a single phrase they'll usually all come from the same major or minor scale.
#12
you mean you wanna do like i did on the last phrase of the main solo?
or when I just improvise at the last part of the song?
Im simply playing over the same back ground.
On the last part of the solo I tapped arpeggios accordingly and mixolian accending.
When I improvise. I pretty much did it in Amin. Wnen i added in the 2 notes
I was simply playing aeloian over the enitire thing.
Aeolian is the easiest scale to solo with becuase its the relative minor.
I came crashing in with an A min or A aeolian at the begining of the solo...striaght up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpI6o-xJ1uw
Last edited by smc818 at Jan 11, 2014,
#13
Those muted 16ths are outrunning you just a bit there, no offense. The lower register legato is very smooth, however.
#14
I recorded that years ago. It's actaully the first song I wrote.
How do you like my chord progression ?
Im not totally happy with it but I like hearing from time to time
becuase it helps to remind me how out of control my playing was as far just
trying to ream in as many notes as I can doing scales.lmao
Even my whah whah had no control. I was just pumping it for the sake of pumping it

As far not hiting a sour note while improving. I made major improvments.
Up until that piont I couldnt put my own solos together.,,,especially 12 bars.
I couldnt make the transition while over the IV chord. It was hit and miss.
It was more miss. What made sense to me was the way you explain it.
Simply becuase the F note wanst in the Amin pentatonic scale.
I forgot about ACE notes.lmao

Anyways I also slow down my playing. Did more ear training. Learnd a few more scales.
Didnt really know the phrygian well. I wrote the song base in VI and III movment.
It was a challenge. For me it was backwards. I could put notes to a parent or major scale to tie it all in. i wrote the solo around the tapping part from a classical
song. Of coure I started it with a warp version of the aeolian.lmao
No pentatonic scales. Make sound like RR and a maiden theme.
I stole the artifical harmonics chord picking from dimebag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N2qjnnkrwc&feature=youtu.be
Last edited by smc818 at Jan 12, 2014,
#15
Why do you keep talking about modes and relative scales when the poor threadstarter only asked about soloing with the major scale?
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#16
how you mean ? The last I check FACE are the arpegios for chord Fmaj7.
Dont get silly with me.
Every good boy dose fine....oki doki

Yes, you can play any note from the parent scale over the entire song.
All I know is...My ear dosnt like it when I stress the B note over
the F chord and so dose most people's ears.lol

The harnonic minor scale isnt a mode. Its a scale
The melodic minor accending isnt a mode
The melodic minor decending isnt a mode
The dominate phrygian isnt a mode
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#17
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I C, E , G, B, D, F, A or should i write it out like this Cmaj7add9,11,13.lol


To nitpick, I believe that chord would simply be written as Cmaj13. Also, it's not an add9 chord because add 9 chords have no 7th.

But seriously, to address the TS: I would simply change the key from the given key to it's parallel minor/ major. G major to G minor, D minor to D major etc. Easy.
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Why do you keep talking about modes and relative scales when the poor threadstarter only asked about soloing with the major scale?


dude i quit a while ago lol i swear there was a "thread jacked" smiley
Theory is just...wow. I'm getting a bit over my head by trying to learn so much w/o formal educators

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If this is meant to illustrate how much you have improved, I can still hear a number of times where you're out of time. Perhaps 1/4 of your phrases start just behind the beat, and when you do some of the faster motifs they start in time, then tend to slow down, falling out of time with the track.

You do seem to have a good ear for melody though and that's a big plus. Next slow things down until you can get them in time, and work on the songs until they sound like songs rather than a massive solo bookended by a riff.
And no, Guitar Hero will not help. Even on expert. Really.
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