Poll: Is it OK to use public assistance money for recreational drugs?
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#1
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/01/21/welfare-weed-colorado-allows-ebt-withdrawals-pot-shops

Colorado pot shops currently have ATMs where welfare recipients can withdraw cash using their EBT cards. A State Senate committee rejected Republicans' proposal to close this loophole.



Oh noez, bread and water ONLY.


This is such a fake controversy. They can simply go across the street to Safeway, make the withdrawal there and then go back to the pot shop. I fucking hate the GOP.


On a more general note, how do you feel about people using welfare money on marijuana (or any recreational drug, really)? I used to be quite against it, believing that they should try to improve their situation first, but then I realized that if smoking a little weed helps them deal with their poverty and have a ray of sunshine in their life, then who am I to tell them no?
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#3
it's their money, they can do whatever they want with it.
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#4
Drug testing welfare recipients should cover this. I think if you're accepting charitable tax dollars to bridge the gap during your tough time, then you should be making an honest effort to contribute back to society.
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#5
I think it's lazy and stupid to use welfare for recreational drugs but I also don't really care #StrongOpinion
#6
ok zombee but what about the children who dont do drugs who rely on money from state but get none now cause mommy and daddy 420blazeit.
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Drug testing welfare recipients



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ok zombee but what about the children who dont do drugs who rely on money from state but get none now cause mommy and daddy 420blazeit.


Surely when mommy and daddy don't get any free money cuz they were caught 420blazingit rather than taking care of their child, the parents would have some incentive to get their shit together or else risk their child being taken away from them.
#10
I'm not entirely sure on how it is regulated in Colorado, but if the government is making money off of it then that means they are just getting back all of those welfare checks anyways.

My personal stance, as someone who smokes marijuana daily; if I hit a slump in my life and had to make cuts to my budget, weed would be the first to go. The idea of being poor and having to get high to forget about my shitty problems doesn't sit well with me.
#11
welfare is not about charity or a tough time. it's about moving money from groups with a low marginal propensity to spend to groups with a high marginal propensity to spend. it's a necessary part of any capitalist economy and what they spend it in is irrelevant so long as it's domestic but since america rules the currency world (for good reason) that doesn't even matter.

welfare is characterized as charity to make idiots agree to it. helping impoverished people is an intended side effort of this wealth distribution, but the whole goal lies in the national economy. and also who the **** are you to tell poor people how to spend the money we gave them? we don't even get to tell congress how to spend money and they're obviously more irresponsible than your average welfare recipient.
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#12
Where did you think welfare money was going before this convenience was put in place?
#13
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and also who the **** are you to tell poor people how to spend the money we gave them?

Because we gave it to them.

we don't even get to tell congress how to spend money and they're obviously more irresponsible than your average welfare recipient.

Well that is a separate topic altogether so there's no reason for you to bring it up here. Pretty much everybody in the US would agree that such office holders get paid way too much money for doing so terribly at their jobs. But even that isn't a good comparison to this issue because welfare isn't paying somebody to do a job, it's paying them for being poor.
#14
Quote by Zombee
Drug testing welfare recipients should cover this. I think if you're accepting charitable tax dollars to bridge the gap during your tough time, then you should be making an honest effort to contribute back to society.


woah there buddy, that was a lot of dumb things to say in one post. these people are down on hard times right now, aint no need to be drug testing them. also, society should be contributing to them m8, they're the ones who are down on hard times.
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Because we gave it to them.


Well that is a separate topic altogether so there's no reason for you to bring it up here. Pretty much everybody in the US would agree that such office holders get paid way too much money for doing so terribly at their jobs. But even that isn't a good comparison to this issue because welfare isn't paying somebody to do a job, it's paying them for being poor.


we're giving it back to them*

also, you misinterpreted my comparison. i won't bother explaining it because we all know you're a libertarian or something and therefore cannot sympathize with poor people.
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we're giving it back to them*

Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense

also, you misinterpreted my comparison. i won't bother explaining it because we all know you're a libertarian or something and therefore cannot sympathize with poor people.


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#17
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Drug testing welfare recipients should cover this. I think if you're accepting charitable tax dollars to bridge the gap during your tough time, then you should be making an honest effort to contribute back to society.

Ah yes, let's manage our tax dollars by spending more tax dollars.

Why don't they just make it so you can't use EBT to get cash?
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#18
That wont happen but what will is that they trade food stamp money for real money then go buy some trees.
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#21
but weed is a vegetable man.
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we're giving it back to them*

also, you misinterpreted my comparison. i won't bother explaining it because we all know you're a libertarian or something and therefore cannot sympathize with poor people.


btw you're already being condescending and apparently unwilling to acknowledge legitimacy of the other common perspective (because of your libertarian view of drug usage) and instead think the person on the other side of the argument is ******ed and nobody likes it when people get on their high horse and talk down to them so yeah

no wonder you live in MARY land ha ha ha ha ha

(i am good with no drug tests for welfare because it's not even a big deal)
#23
Quote by Eastwinn
welfare is not about charity or a tough time. it's about moving money from groups with a low marginal propensity to spend to groups with a high marginal propensity to spend. it's a necessary part of any capitalist economy and what they spend it in is irrelevant so long as it's domestic but since america rules the currency world (for good reason) that doesn't even matter.

welfare is characterized as charity to make idiots agree to it. helping impoverished people is an intended side effort of this wealth distribution, but the whole goal lies in the national economy. and also who the **** are you to tell poor people how to spend the money we gave them? we don't even get to tell congress how to spend money and they're obviously more irresponsible than your average welfare recipient.


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Where did you think welfare money was going before this convenience was put in place?

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To answer the poll, I don't think someone should, that's irresponsible as ****. But I don't support the drug testing measures either
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It's a stupid thing to spend it on but people are pretty stupid so it's whatever
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#27
eh it's just weed that's like getting mad at people for spending welfare money on coffee
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#28
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also, you misinterpreted my comparison. i won't bother explaining it because we all know you're a libertarian or something and therefore cannot sympathize with poor people.

Well that's a harsh statement. I'm a libertarian but I agree with what you've said so far on this issue
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#29
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btw you're already being condescending and apparently unwilling to acknowledge legitimacy of the other common perspective (because of your libertarian view of drug usage) and instead think the person on the other side of the argument is ******ed and nobody likes it when people get on their high horse and talk down to them so yeah

no wonder you live in MARY land ha ha ha ha ha

(i am good with no drug tests for welfare because it's not even a big deal)


i don't have a libertarian view on drug usage really. i see what you're saying though and the reason i'm being condescending is because i selfishly want to present my opinion but i don't care to debate it and i also felt like mocking you cause you always mock me.
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#30
This whole legalize weed movement is in its most primitive form in the US. As time will go on, there will obviously be limits on such purchases. Plus you really shouldnt be getting drunk or high if you have no sufficient income. It's just irresponsible and lazy as fucck.
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#31
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i don't have a libertarian view on drug usage really. i see what you're saying though and the reason i'm being condescending is because i selfishly want to present my opinion but i don't care to debate it and i also felt like mocking you cause you always mock me.

You're in favor of the legalization of it all so yeah tha'ts pretty libertarian. As is this way of thinking (assuming that libertarians acknowledge that welfare is necessary which most do):

"it's their money, they can do whatever they want with it."
#32
Quote by bradulator
Surely when mommy and daddy don't get any free money cuz they were caught 420blazingit rather than taking care of their child, the parents would have some incentive to get their shit together or else risk their child being taken away from them.

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#33
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Ah yes, let's manage our tax dollars by spending more tax dollars.

Why don't they just make it so you can't use EBT to get cash?


There are different "levels" of EBT.
With some you can get cash.
With the most basic level, you can only buy food, drinks (milk, soda, juice, etc.)
No paper products (not even toilet paper for Christ sake), vitamins, aspirin, paper towels, Alcohol, tobacco, etc.
The alcohol and tobacco I can see, but no toilet paper? Thats fucking r**arded
#34
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it's their money, they can do whatever they want with it.


So I can keep mine when the government tries to take it?
#36
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You're in favor of the legalization of it all so yeah tha'ts pretty libertarian. As is this way of thinking (assuming that libertarians acknowledge that welfare is necessary which most do):

"it's their money, they can do whatever they want with it."


i think we support legalization for different reasons. but you're right that on social issues we'll probably agree on most things. but whereas personal freedom is presumably an important value of yours, it's actually not that important for me. i bet many things i support would be a gross violation of personal freedom in your opinion. on the fiscal side of things, where "libertarian" is taken to mean either fiscally conservative or free market oriented or whatever, i don't mesh and i'm assuming you're part of that camp and if so that's obviously the source of our disagreement about whose money it is in this scenario.

libertarians are kind of confusing because probably 1/2 of you only dawn the title because you support drug legalization to some degree, and in not-America (the destitute hinterlands of the earth) libertarian takes on different meanings. so i apologize if i mischaracterize you while i'm being serious. if i'm just mocking you then idc
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i think we support legalization for different reasons. but you're right that on social issues we'll probably agree on most things. but whereas personal freedom is presumably an important value of yours, it's actually not that important for me. i bet many things i support would be a gross violation of personal freedom in your opinion. on the fiscal side of things, where "libertarian" is taken to mean either fiscally conservative or free market oriented or whatever, i don't mesh and i'm assuming you're part of that camp and if so that's obviously the source of our disagreement about whose money it is in this scenario.

libertarians are kind of confusing because probably 1/2 of you only dawn the title because you support drug legalization to some degree, and in not-America (the destitute hinterlands of the earth) libertarian takes on different meanings. so i apologize if i mischaracterize you while i'm being serious. if i'm just mocking you then idc


Yeah I know this and i'm only libertarian leaning, but it doesn't really matter what the reason is for supporting legalization cuz it still makes you look silly when you call libertarians idiots and then support the same position (albeit for different reasons). Libertarian in the Ron Paul Ayn Rand way is silly. Libertarian in the "weeeeeed haha" way is silly. Libertarian in the "i'm a republican but want to seem different oh btw i still am pro-life" way is silly. Libertarian in the "I think people should be as free as possible while maintaining as equitable a society as possible and don't overcomplicate the government with unnecessary crap" way is as libertarian as I get. But I feel like most people would be in favor of that so whatever. I'm socially real liberal and fiscally moderate for what it's worth #leftofcenter
#38
I don't think it's a smart thing to do, but I also don't think we should mandate that people make smart decisions.
#39
Their money yo . Just less money for snacks after they get high, which is clearly not thinking things through correctly.

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Yeah I know this and i'm only libertarian leaning, but it doesn't really matter what the reason is for supporting legalization cuz it still makes you look silly when you call libertarians idiots and then support the same position (albeit for different reasons). Libertarian in the Ron Paul Ayn Rand way is silly. Libertarian in the "weeeeeed haha" way is silly. Libertarian in the "i'm a republican but want to seem different oh btw i still am pro-life" way is silly. Libertarian in the "I think people should be as free as possible while maintaining as equitable a society as possible and don't overcomplicate the government with unnecessary crap" way is as libertarian as I get. But I feel like most people would be in favor of that so whatever. I'm socially real liberal and fiscally moderate for what it's worth #leftofcenter


well then i think you should rebrand yourself.

since we're talking about it i'd like to mention that i think the "it's my body i can do whatever i want with it" rhetoric is crap along with the assertion that certain laws, like drug laws or seat belt laws, are "victimless". that's the kind of stuff that makes me resent libertarians. real talk, the reason i don't like libertarians is because they undermine the arguments i make towards drug legalization. i find it to be an intricate argument that our society can be better when drugs are legal, supposing certain restrictions and such (all part of the argument). the "yeah but freedom" stance is simplistic and stupid, imo, and it's often attributed to me when i talk about drug legalization and that makes me grumpy (not accusing you).

mmm as far as the topic of this thread goes, i guess i can contribute without being condescending. so i think the notion that recreation isn't a basic need is ridiculous. do we expect impoverished people to be robots? let's be realistic here, many of them will be on welfare for a long time because of the economic system we have. if we don't presume that everyone can work their way up (i think that presumption is also ridiculous) then surely some are victims of the "system" and should not be given a life of bare necessities in return.

american socialists are often pegged as hating the rich, which is about as true as saying that libertarians only care about drugs. we just believe that one should own their own labor, or should be represented in a way that simulates that (social democracy i suppose). we're also sometimes pegged as bleeding hearts, caring too much for the poor who apparently deserve to be poor or are helpless or whatever. yes we do focus a lot on the poor because we perceive them to be victims. one thing that unites most american socialists is the idea that the government should working to create an economic system in which everyone gets what they need and the arts and technology flourish, and we don't think the current system is proper for the job. under this ideology, it's obvious that welfare recipients should spend their money as they see fit because we're not giving it them because we're so nice, we're giving it to them because it's our duty.

so that's my perspective. if you want a more agreeable argument, "c'mon it's just a little weed" is good.
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