#1
I've been toying with this concept. Most people pick one or the other. I have a small pedal board and I already have a Flanger. I'm wondering if adding a phaser would be overkill.

For those that have both, ho do you run them? My Flanger sounds great in the loop but I've heard that Phaser sounds better in front of the amp.

-Major Bludd
#2
If you like both, then go for it. Even though they are similar effects, they do have their differences. Listen to Van Halen's "Unchained". That's one example of a sound you can get with a flanger that just wouldn't sound the same with a phaser
#3
I've known several who have both on the same board. Usually they use the phaser for a more subtle sort of swirling tone and the flanger for the over top jet sound.
#4
Cool. I have a Maxon FL 9 Flanger and I love it. (SERIOUSLY GASsing for a Hartman Flanger, tho) It's a subtle and rather Chorusy Flanger, and I have it set as a medium Flanger. If I got a Phaser, how would you recommend I run it? And should I run it in to loop or in front of the Amp?
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Quote by Major Bludd
Cool. I have a Maxon FL 9 Flanger and I love it. (SERIOUSLY GASsing for a Hartman Flanger, tho) It's a subtle and rather Chorusy Flanger, and I have it set as a medium Flanger. If I got a Phaser, how would you recommend I run it? And should I run it in to loop or in front of the Amp?


I run my phaser in front of the amp. Some people might even tell you to run it in front of your dirt although personally I like it between my dirt and my amp.

I have my rate and depth/color control set low. It gives subtle swirly sound. Kind of like the clean guitar at the beginning of Cherub Rock for example. It depends on the phaser you get though. A Phase 90 and a Small Stone are going to be very different.
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I run my phaser in front of the amp. Some people might even tell you to run it in front of your dirt although personally I like it between my dirt and my amp.

I have my rate and depth/color control set low. It gives subtle swirly sound. Kind of like the clean guitar at the beginning of Cherub Rock for example. It depends on the phaser you get though. A Phase 90 and a Small Stone are going to be very different.


So a Phaser Post-Dirt / Flanger in loop?

If the Phaser 90 and the Small Stone are so different, where does the Maxon PT-9 Pro + fall? I've found very little info on it and I can get one for a good deal. (Besides, it would be a cool counterpart to my FL-9)
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#7
look into an Electric Mistress http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ElMistressSt?device=c&network=g&matchtype=&gclid=CPjyh6nKk7wCFSdp7AodXQUAtA

both chorus and flanger, the flanger does go faster and slower but also has freeze points.

it really works well as a chorus if you wanted to do that. but one nice thing is that they are in time within each other.

its different. some like it some hate it. i don't have it on my peda lboard all the time though.
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look into an Electric Mistress http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ElMistressSt?device=c&network=g&matchtype=&gclid=CPjyh6nKk7wCFSdp7AodXQUAtA

both chorus and flanger, the flanger does go faster and slower but also has freeze points.

it really works well as a chorus if you wanted to do that. but one nice thing is that they are in time within each other.

its different. some like it some hate it. i don't have it on my peda lboard all the time though.


I've been looking at the Hartman Flanger, which is a clone of the original Electric Mistress.

My concern is this: I've been told that the Hartman is VERY noisy and I like my Maxon because it's so quiet. I may address this in a separate thread sometime soon.
#9
Quote by Major Bludd
So a Phaser Post-Dirt / Flanger in loop?

If the Phaser 90 and the Small Stone are so different, where does the Maxon PT-9 Pro + fall? I've found very little info on it and I can get one for a good deal. (Besides, it would be a cool counterpart to my FL-9)


I've heard it's closer to the Phase 90, but it's also very versatile. Other than that I don't know, I've never used one.
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I've known several who have both on the same board. Usually they use the phaser for a more subtle sort of swirling tone and the flanger for the over top jet sound.

I usually do the opposite
Some flangers have really great subtle chorusey tones. Not all flangers are jet flangers.
I use my phaser for 'have a cigar' type tones in comparison. Or univibe approximation tones.

I definitely love phasers out in front. Jet flangers too. But if I'm going for a more choruses flange tone than it goes in the loop. Never liked phaser in the loop very much in comparison to out front
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If you like both, then go for it. Even though they are similar effects, they do have their differences. Listen to Van Halen's "Unchained". That's one example of a sound you can get with a flanger that just wouldn't sound the same with a phaser


and then listen to "Atomic Punk" and "Eruption" for a phaser sound

I have my "block" Phase 90 (gonna trade it in and get the EVH Phaser so I have the "script" and "block" sounds. right before my Ibanez DFL Flanger on my pedalboard, I have the DFL set to a RATM's "Wake Up" type of sound of a Iron Maiden's "Number Of The Beast" type sound and the Phaser for EVH's sound, or with the speed all the way down to get a Smashing Pumpkins lead tone with my Big Muff (haven't gotten a MXR Distortion II yet). Probably going to build BYOC's Analog Flanger kit at some point.
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I have never been able to get "Jet sounds" out of a flanger. I use them because when the rate is set low they just sound ****ing evil.

I have a Mooer Eleclady, which is a clone of the Deluxe Electric Mistress (same as the Hartman).
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Although I don't own a phaser I feel it'd be based on what you were going to play. If I felt a phaser would be better for something then I'd use it. If I felt the flanger would be better then I'd use that. They really can be used completely different, and how you use them would justify consistently using both. I feel that might be stating the obvious, but alas...

Also, I have the Hartman, and it really is top notch if you want the authentic chorus-like flanger.
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I like to phase before dirt and flange after. And mobius all the way!
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i have both and a chorus pedal....lol. my phaser is in front. its an r28 modded phase 90 and sounds great for all things van halen...and some lead stuffs. my flanger is an ibanez cf7 flange/chorus i only use it for the flange. idk why but i have a soft spot for those old tone lock pedals. anyway thats set up to do the unchained flange sound. it sits right next to the micro chorus in the loop.

do it up man get both versatility is fun
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I have a small stone in front of dirt and an eleclady flanger after delay, just to be different
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i have both and a chorus pedal....lol. my phaser is in front. its an r28 modded phase 90 and sounds great for all things van halen...and some lead stuffs. my flanger is an ibanez cf7 flange/chorus i only use it for the flange. idk why but i have a soft spot for those old tone lock pedals. anyway thats set up to do the unchained flange sound. it sits right next to the micro chorus in the loop.

do it up man get both versatility is fun


i never owned one of the tonelock, but it is one of the best innovations for even a cheaper pedal. why not do it on more things?

it would save a lot of frustration if everything was, then you connect, don't have to worry bumping a knob with your foot. etc.
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I've known several who have both on the same board. Usually they use the phaser for a more subtle sort of swirling tone and the flanger for the over top jet sound.


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