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Ximich
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#1
We try to make our web site better for our users. Please reply on few short questions:
1. Do you satisfied with the quality of our tabs?
2. We have a lot of versions of one tab and are you intetested in it? Or do you need some more versions or may be division of this versions by complexity or some other options?

If you have some comments or suggestions for our tabs please feel free to tell us about it.
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#2
I like having multiple versions of tabs. Even the ones that aren't 100% accurate are useful as guidelines.
In short, I love the way the tabs are setup now.
Plus, the not so accurate ones have always helped me develop my ear training because I have to physically sit down and listen and play over and over to figure out the correct notes.
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#4
Multiple versions of a tab are fine, so long as there aren't multiple versions of an identical tab.

So long as the different versions cover alternative positions of the same thing, they can be useful for viewing and working out how you're most comfortable playing a part.

Even if there are slight mistakes, like SGstriker said they are useful guidelines. Personally I never follow a tab 100% anyway - I look at a few of the available tabs to get an idea what I need to play, then use that as a starting point to actually work a song out by ear. I never actually learn from a tab note for note.

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Same as what above has said.

Often I can't find the tab to the song I want though cause the band/song isn't as well known as others. Suppose you can't do anything about that though.
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#7
This is a developers nightmare kind of an answer, but I think everything is great as it is.
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#8
Quote by Ximich
We try to make our web site better for our users. Please reply on few short questions:
1. Do you satisfied with the quality of our tabs?
2. We have a lot of versions of one tab and are you intetested in it? Or do you need some more versions or may be division of this versions by complexity or some other options?

If you have some comments or suggestions for our tabs please feel free to tell us about it.


Yes and no.
I find a lot of tabs are wrong(even if it's just a note or two, it matters), and it almost seems like tabs with multiple versions are just copies of one tab(regardless of if it's wrong) with maybe a change or two instead of something new or different.
really evident when a song has 3+ tabs all with the same mistakes.

that being said I find most tabs to be really helpful, especially when I'm having a problem learning a riff on my own. And even more so with songs that have multiple tab versions as they probably all do something different and it's nice to figure out which way you find most comfortable so easily

I think though if I were to improve the tabs in any way, I'd make it so there couldn't be multiple versions of the exact same tab. if there's going to be a version 2 or 3, It should be done significantly different or fix the mistakes in a different one(at which point the wrong tab should be removed), or offer a different way to play the song all together.

EDIT: I also think you should be able to flag a tab as 'incorrect' or something and be able to submit a correction to it which would get reviewed and then either implemented to the original tab or rejected.
Would cut down on a lot of the alternate tabs that are just corrections or better versions of another
EDIT2: and maybe even have a log of corrections that have been made on a tab that people can see if they want to so the original posters work is never undermined. It will still be there in its original glory, but the main tab people will see will be the one with corrections
It's over simplified, So what!

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#9
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Yes and no.
I find a lot of tabs are wrong(even if it's just a note or two, it matters), and it almost seems like tabs with multiple versions are just copies of one tab(regardless of if it's wrong) with maybe a change or two instead of something new or different.
really evident when a song has 3+ tabs all with the same mistakes.

that being said I find most tabs to be really helpful, especially when I'm having a problem learning a riff on my own. And even more so with songs that have multiple tab versions as they probably all do something different and it's nice to figure out which way you find most comfortable so easily

I think though if I were to improve the tabs in any way, I'd make it so there couldn't be multiple versions of the exact same tab. if there's going to be a version 2 or 3, It should be done significantly different or fix the mistakes in a different one(at which point the wrong tab should be removed), or offer a different way to play the song all together.

EDIT: I also think you should be able to flag a tab as 'incorrect' or something and be able to submit a correction to it which would get reviewed and then either implemented to the original tab or rejected.
Would cut down on a lot of the alternate tabs that are just corrections or better versions of another
EDIT2: and maybe even have a log of corrections that have been made on a tab that people can see if they want to so the original posters work is never undermined. It will still be there in its original glory, but the main tab people will see will be the one with corrections


Agreed.
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#10
Quote by Obsceneairwaves
Yes and no.
I find a lot of tabs are wrong(even if it's just a note or two, it matters), and it almost seems like tabs with multiple versions are just copies of one tab(regardless of if it's wrong) with maybe a change or two instead of something new or different.
really evident when a song has 3+ tabs all with the same mistakes.

that being said I find most tabs to be really helpful, especially when I'm having a problem learning a riff on my own. And even more so with songs that have multiple tab versions as they probably all do something different and it's nice to figure out which way you find most comfortable so easily

I think though if I were to improve the tabs in any way, I'd make it so there couldn't be multiple versions of the exact same tab. if there's going to be a version 2 or 3, It should be done significantly different or fix the mistakes in a different one(at which point the wrong tab should be removed), or offer a different way to play the song all together.

EDIT: I also think you should be able to flag a tab as 'incorrect' or something and be able to submit a correction to it which would get reviewed and then either implemented to the original tab or rejected.
Would cut down on a lot of the alternate tabs that are just corrections or better versions of another
EDIT2: and maybe even have a log of corrections that have been made on a tab that people can see if they want to so the original posters work is never undermined. It will still be there in its original glory, but the main tab people will see will be the one with corrections


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#11
Quote by Obsceneairwaves
Yes and no.
I find a lot of tabs are wrong(even if it's just a note or two, it matters), and it almost seems like tabs with multiple versions are just copies of one tab(regardless of if it's wrong) with maybe a change or two instead of something new or different.
really evident when a song has 3+ tabs all with the same mistakes.

that being said I find most tabs to be really helpful, especially when I'm having a problem learning a riff on my own. And even more so with songs that have multiple tab versions as they probably all do something different and it's nice to figure out which way you find most comfortable so easily

I think though if I were to improve the tabs in any way, I'd make it so there couldn't be multiple versions of the exact same tab. if there's going to be a version 2 or 3, It should be done significantly different or fix the mistakes in a different one(at which point the wrong tab should be removed), or offer a different way to play the song all together.

EDIT: I also think you should be able to flag a tab as 'incorrect' or something and be able to submit a correction to it which would get reviewed and then either implemented to the original tab or rejected.
Would cut down on a lot of the alternate tabs that are just corrections or better versions of another
EDIT2: and maybe even have a log of corrections that have been made on a tab that people can see if they want to so the original posters work is never undermined. It will still be there in its original glory, but the main tab people will see will be the one with corrections

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#12
I agree with Obsceneairwaves.
I also think that with guitar pro tabs (and the other similar platforms) it would be useful if in the tab browsing windows there was a column for which instruments are notated for. It would have to be stripped back to just broad icons signifying the instruments to save space, but it would be a useful feature imo. Sometimes I'm looking for a bass part and keep only finding guitar pro files for guitar only for example. It would save time if I was just able to glance at what instruments were in the tab in the tab browsing section.

Hope that makes sense
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#13
There's very little to fault tbh. It's good to have various interpretations of a song since it encourages you to listen to it and decide which version sounds right, or indeed work out your own little corrections
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#14
Quote by mulefish
I agree with Obsceneairwaves.
I also think that with guitar pro tabs (and the other similar platforms) it would be useful if in the tab browsing windows there was a column for which instruments are notated for. It would have to be stripped back to just broad icons signifying the instruments to save space, but it would be a useful feature imo. Sometimes I'm looking for a bass part and keep only finding guitar pro files for guitar only for example. It would save time if I was just able to glance at what instruments were in the tab in the tab browsing section.

Hope that makes sense

+1 to this. I use them for backing tracks when practicing, so being able to pick the one that has drums included without the current trial & error would be a big bonus.

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#15
Make the "difficulty" and "tuning" options mandatory. It really bothers me when I search for a tab and would like a song in the same tuning as my guitar, and then I have to check through every single tab to find one.
For example slipknot has a lot of stuff in Drop B and some in drop A, so when I search for slipknot with the intention of playing in A, I can't just select Drop A in the advanced search, because that would leave out like 75% of the songs in that tuning, but without that option selected, most tabs would be drop B. I get really frustrated by that.
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#16
1. I do, honestly.




2. Well, I think it's a positive thing. It offers some sort of diversity and if you find a certain part in one tab lacking you can see if the other tabs did a better job at that part. And if you don't need that there's almost always one tab out of the selection that dominates in the ratings department - pick that one and you're good to go.


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#17
1. Mostly

2. I like having a bit of variety in the tabs because they are rarely 100% accurate so it's good to be able to reference another tab.

Get rid of 1-2 star rated tabs unless they are the only submission for that song.
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#18
Quote by Ximich
1. Do you satisfied with the quality of our tabs?

Even if I weren't, it's not entirely the fault of UG but of the tabbers, But overall, UG has a great amount of quality tabs, and I don't care too much about the bad ones, because a lot of them are of untabbed songs, and could serve as a guideline for new tabs. Optimism!

2. We have a lot of versions of one tab and are you intetested in it? Or do you need some more versions or may be division of this versions by complexity or some other options?

Perhaps keep all the versions of the tabs but make them available through a separate page? Or just put links to the other versions at the top of the highest-rated version? Take suggestions on best versions of certain tabs from the UG community?

I personally think the tab part of this site is fine, and any improvement needed is relatively minor.

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I also think that with guitar pro tabs blah blah blah i did read the rest

Actually, I think what we need more for GP tabs is something to tell users what version of GP they'll need, since it so many users have yet to make the leap to GP6.


Maybe a better screening system for duplicate tabs? I see tons of them in the approval queue when I check.
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#19
I would like to see more rigorously enforced standards on tab format at flow. It should be a rule to put at least one '-' between numbers, especially for two digit numbers. There should never be a need to clarify, "These are 11's not 1's..." Layout of sections in tabs should be standardized. If a song has discrete parts, it should be labeled as sections: chorus, verse, fill ... It would even be cool to see links in tabs that let you quickly jump to that part of the song, perhaps a floating link on the title bar. This way, if you are playing along and need to get back to the chorus quickly, you can click "chorus" to make it jump there.

Overall, I think if there were more standards to the form of the tabs, it would enable future additions of features. If the page designer knows what kind of content to expect in the tab box, they can easily write robust and helpful functionality around it. It would also make it less of a pain to read. No more tabs that are a large, unlabeled page of repeating parts with numbers squeezed together on one line.

P.S. Standardize the symbols used for things.
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#20
The only thing I've noticed that I'd like improved is in the advanced search. I love the "Get random" feature, but you can only choose one aspect of the tab. If I want specifically a Guitar Pro tab, I can't choose the tuning for instance.
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#21
Quote by Obsceneairwaves
Yes and no.
I find a lot of tabs are wrong(even if it's just a note or two, it matters), and it almost seems like tabs with multiple versions are just copies of one tab(regardless of if it's wrong) with maybe a change or two instead of something new or different.
really evident when a song has 3+ tabs all with the same mistakes.

that being said I find most tabs to be really helpful, especially when I'm having a problem learning a riff on my own. And even more so with songs that have multiple tab versions as they probably all do something different and it's nice to figure out which way you find most comfortable so easily

I think though if I were to improve the tabs in any way, I'd make it so there couldn't be multiple versions of the exact same tab. if there's going to be a version 2 or 3, It should be done significantly different or fix the mistakes in a different one(at which point the wrong tab should be removed), or offer a different way to play the song all together.

EDIT: I also think you should be able to flag a tab as 'incorrect' or something and be able to submit a correction to it which would get reviewed and then either implemented to the original tab or rejected.
Would cut down on a lot of the alternate tabs that are just corrections or better versions of another
EDIT2: and maybe even have a log of corrections that have been made on a tab that people can see if they want to so the original posters work is never undermined. It will still be there in its original glory, but the main tab people will see will be the one with corrections

This sums up my feelings pretty well.

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Perhaps keep all the versions of the tabs but make them available through a separate page? Or just put links to the other versions at the top of the highest-rated version? Take suggestions on best versions of certain tabs from the UG community?

I'm not sure I like the idea of streamlining everything around the highest-rated tab, though. If you mean only the highest-rated version would show up in results, and you would have to click on that tab just to see the other versions, then definitely not. More than once I've found tabs where the highest rated version is vastly inferior to more modestly rated versions. Yet my single one-star vote against the high rating and my five-star vote for the low rating do absolutely nothing to change the ratings enough to reflect how I feel they should be ranked.

Quote by henrihell
Make the "difficulty" and "tuning" options mandatory. It really bothers me when I search for a tab and would like a song in the same tuning as my guitar, and then I have to check through every single tab to find one.

I also think this is a great idea. I'm not as concerned about difficulty, but tuning definitely.
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#22
Do you interesting to get additional meta information about tabs and search by him:
  • tone (C major, C# major, Db major, etc.)
  • techniques (slide up, slide down, hammer-on, pull-off, etc.)
  • BPM (beats per minute)
  • time signature («3/2», «2/4», «6/8», «4/4», etc.)
  • main strumming ("D,UDUD,UDU", etc.)

?
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#23
Quote by Ximich
Do you interesting to get additional meta information about tabs and search by him:
  • tone (C major, C# major, Db major, etc.)
  • techniques (slide up, slide down, hammer-on, pull-off, etc.)
  • BPM (beats per minute)
  • time signature («3/2», «2/4», «6/8», «4/4», etc.)
  • main strumming ("D,UDUD,UDU", etc.)

?


Strumming. YES for some songs would be really nice.

Tone - I have no idea what i'm playing in whenever I play, it might teach me if it was included. So sure why not.
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#24
Quote by Ximich
Do you interesting to get additional meta information about tabs and search by him:
  • tone (C major, C# major, Db major, etc.)
  • techniques (slide up, slide down, hammer-on, pull-off, etc.)
  • BPM (beats per minute)
  • time signature («3/2», «2/4», «6/8», «4/4», etc.)
  • main strumming ("D,UDUD,UDU", etc.)

?

A, C, and D would be the most helpful for me, but the other two could be useful to others who are still learning to play.
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#26
Quote by Obsceneairwaves
Yes and no.
I find a lot of tabs are wrong(even if it's just a note or two, it matters), and it almost seems like tabs with multiple versions are just copies of one tab(regardless of if it's wrong) with maybe a change or two instead of something new or different.
really evident when a song has 3+ tabs all with the same mistakes.

that being said I find most tabs to be really helpful, especially when I'm having a problem learning a riff on my own. And even more so with songs that have multiple tab versions as they probably all do something different and it's nice to figure out which way you find most comfortable so easily

I think though if I were to improve the tabs in any way, I'd make it so there couldn't be multiple versions of the exact same tab. if there's going to be a version 2 or 3, It should be done significantly different or fix the mistakes in a different one(at which point the wrong tab should be removed), or offer a different way to play the song all together.

EDIT: I also think you should be able to flag a tab as 'incorrect' or something and be able to submit a correction to it which would get reviewed and then either implemented to the original tab or rejected.
Would cut down on a lot of the alternate tabs that are just corrections or better versions of another
EDIT2: and maybe even have a log of corrections that have been made on a tab that people can see if they want to so the original posters work is never undermined. It will still be there in its original glory, but the main tab people will see will be the one with corrections


much agreed

Quote by Ximich
Do you interesting to get additional meta information about tabs and search by him:
  • tone (C major, C# major, Db major, etc.)
  • techniques (slide up, slide down, hammer-on, pull-off, etc.)
  • BPM (beats per minute)
  • time signature («3/2», «2/4», «6/8», «4/4», etc.)
  • main strumming ("D,UDUD,UDU", etc.)

?


I don't think that this kind of information is useful (except perhaps the key). I feel that the average person should be able to pick up the strumming pattern of the song and know how the time and tempo feels especially if it is a song that is specifically being searched for. There are also many ways to play a lick, one person may choose to use hammer-ons and pull-offs and another may choose to pick everything depending on what is easiest for that person. I don't think a tab should be placed in a technique category just because "the tab says so so it must be done that way" because if often isn't the case.
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I do interesting the key.
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1. I don't really know. As a tabber, I rarely look up other tabs. I always figure out songs for myself. But if it counts, I'm very satisfied with the tabs I put out.
Though I always check to see if there is an accurate version similar to what I have (though almost all of the time, I submit the only version), but 8/10 times there isn't.

2.
Quote by badfish_lewis
I like having a bit of variety in the tabs because they are rarely 100% accurate so it's good to be able to reference another tab.

Get rid of 1-2 star rated tabs unless they are the only submission for that song.
I agree with this. Multiple versions sometimes give me a better idea of where to start if I'm having trouble. Except if they're rated between 1-2 stars. If they're rightly rated so, they're kind of useless.

Edit: That additional stuff doesn't matter to me. Maybe just b and e. I've helped people learn a tab by using the e method.
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#31
Quote by Ximich
Do you interesting to get additional meta information about tabs and search by him:
  • tone (C major, C# major, Db major, etc.)
  • techniques (slide up, slide down, hammer-on, pull-off, etc.)
  • BPM (beats per minute)
  • time signature («3/2», «2/4», «6/8», «4/4», etc.)
  • main strumming ("D,UDUD,UDU", etc.)

?


i do interesting in him
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#32
Quote by Ximich
Do you interesting to get additional meta information about tabs and search by him:
  • tone (C major, C# major, Db major, etc.)
  • techniques (slide up, slide down, hammer-on, pull-off, etc.)
  • BPM (beats per minute)
  • time signature («3/2», «2/4», «6/8», «4/4», etc.)
  • main strumming ("D,UDUD,UDU", etc.)

?


Time signature would be an absolutely fantastic addition.
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#33
And to the people saying they don't want multiple versions of the same tab: Really, if anyone is to blame, it's the fault of not enough voters in the TPA page. If there were, it wouldn't be posted in the first place. Maybe suggest to get more people active up in there. I'm aware you need 3 accepted contributions to access that page though so idk. Just airing my thoughts here.
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#34
I need more accepted contributions. I've only got two. They should later the requirement for voting to two.
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#36
Quote by Ximich
Do you interesting to get additional meta information about tabs and search by him:
  • tone (C major, C# major, Db major, etc.)
  • techniques (slide up, slide down, hammer-on, pull-off, etc.)
  • BPM (beats per minute)
  • time signature («3/2», «2/4», «6/8», «4/4», etc.)
  • main strumming ("D,UDUD,UDU", etc.)

?

That would be a good addition, but I don't know how you would want people to change previously submitted tabs if you in fact want them changed. Seems like a good idea though.


Edit: also, love the addition of the tab player
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#37
There is a serious lack in bass tabs. that's all I have to say
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#38
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There is a serious lack in bass tabs. that's all I have to say

You should try ultimate-bass.com
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#39
Thanks for all the responses so far. Let me do a round up:

1. There is a needs for meta data (strumming, key, time signature, techniques - in the order of importance)

2. There is no problem with the tabs' quality, except that:
a. we need to clean out 1,2 rated tabs
b. or tabs that being reported as 'inaccurate'

3. There is some problem with the tabs' format: we need better defined rules on how to properly format tabs*

* When I say tabs I mean both tabs and chords

Is it correct? Did I miss anything?
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#40
Let me ask you about a couple other things:

When you say there is, in general, no major problems with the current UG setup can you say that UG successfully covers all your guitar needs? Meaning, when you want to learn a song or the song - Ultimate Guitar is all you need and that's the only active window in your browser during song learning process?

I want you to think outside of the current UG setup. Is there something that we don't have but would be actually helpful and useful? Something that would save your time and make your learning process more effective?

*random idea: wouldn't it be useful to have youtube video attached to each song so you can hear that song right now from tab page?*