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#1
Now i know that fender strats, jazzmasters, and jaguars as well as moistrie guitars are considered to be surf guitars but are there any other modern surf guitars or a past model specifically designed for playing surf music?
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#2
While those ARE the titans of surf/spy tone, any similarly designed guitar would be just fine.

Off the top of my head, there's most of J. Backlund's line, the Malden Liquid & Mozak, the Godin Dorchester, as well as the Reverend Six Gun, Buckshot, Flatroc, Double Agent, Rick Vito sig, and assorted versions of the Charger, Manta Ray, and Warhawk.

Guitars like Gretsches or anything with FillerTron-like pickups work pretty well, too.

For that matter, I've gotten interesting surf/spy tones out of HB guitars- with and without coil splitting- by use of the guitars' tone or my amp's controls.
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#3
Also Fender amps always, like a Super Reverb, something with that sexy Tremolo unit (Vibrato, unit to Leo Fender who might have been the greatest troll ever, since he felt the need to confuse guitar players for the rest of time.)
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#4
i rock the twin reverb dude
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#5
For an amp, you'd wasnt something that delivers clean tones for your reverb and whatever minimal effects you want to really be crisp & defined.

So, I'd agree with the Fender amp suggestion (disclosure- I own a HRD combo), Vox amps like the AC30, and Carvins like the Vintage 16, Belair, and Nomad.
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#6
my amp is all squared away, i play a twin reverb lol
how is the quality of dipinto guitars? anyone have an idea?
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#7
Reverend's got some great guitars that can do surf rock. the rock already mentioned the flat roc, buckshot, etc. Another guitar that's absolutely brilliant for surf: Carparelli Arco F1.
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#8
Finally! Another surf guitarist around.

I'm a Strat guy, through and through. It's just THE tone for surf, I think. However, if you want great tones with a different look, I don't think you're going to find a better brand than Reverend. Danny's got a couple, I used to own a Jetstream. The necks are very Fender-esque, and you can get a great range of sounds, especially with the bass contour.

Another brand to check, my personal favorite, G&L. The PTB system on the Legacies is fantastic, and I like the DFV on their better than any trem on any Fender. It's smoother, gives you a better surf shimmer.
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#9
Yes, the DiPinto guitars carry a lot of love in the surf genre as do all the others mentioned here. Some of the more exotic stuff from Danelectro (by exotic i mean wacky of course). I modded my MIM strat for surf by swapping to the GFS lipstick pickups for a bit more traditional sound. I am actually doing some surf specific shows on my podcast in the near future as it is one of my favorite genre music. I have a few solid bands letting me play their stuff.
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#10
F.Y.I, I am a lover of surf, too- from Dick Dale to Laika & the Cosmonauts. It's one of the reasons I have the HRD and so many reverb pedals!

And while it almost ones without saying, any of the classically voiced Strat clones- from any number of makers- will work, too.

A dude on another forum I was just visiting last night pointed out that, although MUCH rarer, some surf/spy guys used lipstick singlecoil equipped guitars like Danelectros. With that in mind, I can also recommend the Godin Belmont...especially with Bigsby.
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#11
For all you surf guitar lovers check out RS guitar works, beautiful stuff.
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#12
Quote by JustRooster
Finally! Another surf guitarist around.

I'm a Strat guy, through and through. It's just THE tone for surf, I think. However, if you want great tones with a different look, I don't think you're going to find a better brand than Reverend. Danny's got a couple, I used to own a Jetstream. The necks are very Fender-esque, and you can get a great range of sounds, especially with the bass contour.

Another brand to check, my personal favorite, G&L. The PTB system on the Legacies is fantastic, and I like the DFV on their better than any trem on any Fender. It's smoother, gives you a better surf shimmer.

i do like some of the reverend stuff i just wish them and dipinto alike had a usa series, i would gladly pay 1200 for a usa dipinto or reverend. i know in the end it doesnt matter where it is from as mush as how it is made but it is just something i like.
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#13
Quote by Reverb&Reggae
i do like some of the reverend stuff i just wish them and dipinto alike had a usa series, i would gladly pay 1200 for a usa dipinto or reverend. i know in the end it doesnt matter where it is from as mush as how it is made but it is just something i like.

Never let it be said that I won't help people spend their money!

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https://reverb.com/item/60846-reverend-slingshot-black-eastpointe
http://reverb.com/item/60847-reverend-rocco-black-serial-00018

Those are all older Revs, made in the good ole US of A. At this point in time, all MiA Revs you'll see are used because their entire current production line is in Korea.

I do hope that one day, they DO start American production again, though.

That first one, BTW, would probably be a beast for surf/spy tones...
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#14
I believe the (now discontinued) Yamaha SGV series is popular for surf music:

They certainly look interesting...
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#15
Check out Hell Guitars' Zero Dot and No.2 as well.
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#16
i am really diggin this reverend jetstream 390 i found! how do their korean line stand up?
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#17
Reverend's Korean guitars are, IMHO, among the best I've seen of guitar makers' Korean output.* As in, if I didn't know they were Korean, I probably wouldn't suspect it.

I have two- a 2006 Roundhouse (LPclone) and a 15th Anniversary Flatroc with Bigsby, both purchased in 2013. Their necks & bodies are comfy, and I haven't had a real issue with either one. The looking tuners work as advertised. The korina is resonant. All in all, my experience with them and what I see on their website has made me a huge fan- the are more Reverends remaining on my G.A.S. list than almost any other brand I can name.

The Roundhouse's pickups are a bit tame, but are still just fine for blues and classic rock tones. I'm considering putting in some RailHammers- the pickups from Rev Pres. Joe Naylor's other company- to give it a bit more attitude. Because it was a used guitar, it has some little dings here and there. The biggest issue: one of the knobs sits a little low on its post, and rubs the finish beneath ever so slightly, but I have no idea if that was as it was from the factory, or if someone else did something to it. Doesn't affect the playability any, though.

The Flatroc has RevTrons, which I have utterly fallen in love with for rockabilly/psychobilly/surf/spy tones with added beef. As JustRooster can also attest, that bass contour knob, present on all Revs, can let even their HB guitars deliver some serious twang. That baby, purchased new, arrived ready to play. I haven't had to have set up or anything, and I can't say that of every guitar I've bought. Even pricier ones.

As for their P90s...well, lets just say I've been jonesing for a Manta Ray 290 or 390, and their Double Agent was the guitar that got me interested in Reverends in the first place.


* other MiK guitars I own and love are made by Fernandes, Electra, and Malden.
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#18
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#19
IDK, but...DAYyum!!!
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#20
that straguar is amazing!
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#22
i have never played any V shapes, most extreme shape i think i would buy is an explorer/kelly shape but i'm open to anything non conventional at this point.
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#23
Non-conventional you say?



The aforementioned J. Backlund Guitars are just that- perfect to get your inner George Jetson to hang ten in the seas of Europa:

They're also pretty pricey. However, he recently introduced his Retronix line, which are to his boutique models as Squier is to Fender, or Epihone is to Gibson. Typically, the Retronix seem to be priced in the $750-900 range.
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#25
Mosrite Guitars, the Ventures used them there about as "surf" rock as you can get with out being Dick Dale
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#26
Quote by dannyalcatraz

while i really like that body style and controls im not sold on fidelitron style pickups, im not sure why but i feel like they are really grestch/rickenbacker esque

to me it sounds like it turns everything you play into something coming out of an ac30 top boost channel, not that i hate the tone just not what I'm going for.
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#27
I hear ya! Still, the tone you get out of pups like that depends on the exact guitar (and oher gear) in question.

For example, I don't know those Schecters beyond that they exist. The Gretsch & Rics I know pretty well. And their tones are pretty peripheral to the typical surf sound.

But Reverends with RevTron mini-HBs- modeled on the FillerTron pickup- can do both Gretsch-style tones AND convincing surf tones because it the Tone and Bass contour controls. I use my RevTron-equipped Flatroc pretty interchangeably with my Fret-King Super 60HB (a HSS Stratclone) for surf style playing. The Rev doesn't sound like the FK, but it does sound genre-appropriate.
#28
i totally get what you are saying, so i was looking at schecters and i haven't really checked them out in a while, i used to own a tempest back in the day and i came across these beauties
http://www.themusiczoo.com/product/19701/Schecter-USA-Custom-Shop-California-Custom-Elite-Koa-Electric-Guitar-Tobacco-Burst

http://www.schecterguitars.com/custom/masterworks/traditional-custom-2pc-koa-detail

i might have to splurge a bit and go for that koa hss strat, i would probably swap out the pups though, seymour duncan just released an antiquity surf pickup set and i am dying to see how they sound compared to fenders fat 50's which i feel like is the best modern interpretation of a surf pickup.....fender is getting really boring though, i dont see them doing much this year since it is the 60th anniv for strats. I never understood why fender seems to only model their guitars after "modern" rock players or blues players besides their american vintage series.

i just feel like i wouldn't have even gone gibson per say if fender kept up with their experimentation models in the usa series.
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#29
Wow- I have never seen a Schecter that looked like the one in that first link! Pretty damn sweet!

Still for that price- for a surf-specific axe- I'd buy a Backlund! They're over the top, but still have an aesthetic that conjures echoes of classic 50's cars, the way futurists of the era imagined the world of today... And they're customizable like a Carvin or US Masters guitar. IOW, you get an instrument that YOU helped design.

http://www.jbacklund.com/pdf/J%20Backlund%20Custom%20Build%20Form.pdf
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Quote by dannyalcatraz
Wow- I have never seen a Schecter that looked like the one in that first link! Pretty damn sweet!

Still for that price- for a surf-specifci axe- I'd buy a Backlund! They're over the top, but still have an aesthetic that conjures echoes of classic 50's cars, the way futurists of the era imagined the world of today... And they're customizable like a Carvin or US Masters guitar. IOW, you get an instrument that YOU helped design.

yeah the backlund's really do have a unique look, i like the jbd-800 the best, i am a little unconventional with surf guitars though, i really like natural looking guitars almost like they are part of the earth because to me that is what reverb and ocean waves make me think of. i wish i could play a backlund....ive even thought of doing my own custom with warmouth.
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#31
i really like natural looking guitars almost like they are part of the earth because to me that is what reverb and ocean waves make me think of. i wish i could play a backlund....ive even thought of doing my own custom with warmouth.


Well, given that position, let me point out that Carvin, US Masters, G&L, Godin, Fernandes and Fret-King Stratclones can be had in that price range, and they'd be extremely well made. Possibly better than Fenders. And they'd be available in those natural or classic surf-style finishes.

In addition, there are US luthiers whose prices start around $1200-1500 for their standard designs. Pay a little more- same price as that Schecter or those Backlunds- and you get fully custom guitar.

For example, I have 5 (going on 6) guitars from Jon Kammerer (JKG), and have one of my two full cutoms from RockBeach.

The Leo is his Stratclone, and I know he had a HSS one in stock recently for $1300-1500, and you'd be able to get a full-custom one for $1700-3500.

http://jonkammerercustoms.com/help-template_013.htm

And sometimes, JKGs show up on the used market. (I have one exactly like these- it has coil splitting, standard.)
http://reverb.com/marketplace?query=Jon+Kammerer

And here's my RockBeach Camelback III (HSS), made with Birdseye maple for a neck & fretboard, as well as body wood sandwiched between layers of master grade Claro walnut I personally chose- just $2100.






So, if you look at these guys- or luthiers like them- you could get an all-natural finished surf guitar of your dreams for a fairly reasonable price. And with the right custom pickguard, it would be a "Woody"/"Woodie", if you will.
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#32
Not all of these are "surf" guitars- mostly because of pickups- but most are good Strat clones that should do the job quite well...

Godin
Session
http://godinguitars.com/godinsessionp.htm

Progression
http://godinguitars.com/godinprogressionusbp.htm

Passion
http://godinguitars.com/godinpassionp.htm


G&L USA
Legacy or S-500 series (their entry level Tribute line has good ones, too)
http://www.glguitars.com/instruments/USA/guitars/index.asp


Fret King Blue Line (their entry level Black line has good ones, too)
Super 60
http://www.fret-king.com/super60iw_spec.html

Super 60HB
http://www.fret-king.com/super60hbig_spec.html

Super 60SP
http://www.fret-king.com/super60speom_spec.html


Fernandes
Classic Revolver
http://www.fernandesguitars.com/revolver/revolver-classic.html

Retrorocket series
http://www.fernandesguitars.com/products/guitars/retrorocket.html


US Masters
LeGrand
http://www.usmasters.com/legrandguitar.htm

LeGrande Legend
http://www.usmasters.com/legrandlegend.htm

LeGrande Custom Legend
http://www.usmasters.com/legrandcustomlegend.htm


Carvin
Bolt Classic
http://www.carvinguitars.com/catalog/guitars/bolt


Dean Zelinsky Private Label
Tagliare series
http://deanzelinsky.com/collections/tagliare
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#33
i am digging these fret king guitars, i like their green label

what is the quality of their green label like?
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#34
I have a Blue Label Super 60HB. Based on how good that one has been to me, I would also like to get a Super 60SP and a mahogany Esprit 5.

I'd say that the Blue Labels are somewhere between Fender's MiM and MiA Strats. When I brought my Super 60HB into my favorite local music store to buy a HSC and strap, some mistook it for a G&L before looking at the name. By and large, they were impressed.

And this is in Texas! Strats rule the roost, here.

The Green Label are FK's handmade in the UK line. Unlike their sportscars, I'd expect that to mean they're pretty damn good! They're probably on a par with the MiA Strats or G&Ls.
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#35
i might just say screw it and get one of the new avri 65 jazzmaster.

i would like to try a fret king though before i decide. i used to own the 62 jm and wan't to keen on it but i've heard the new ones are mountains better.

Also i was in Dallas recently for a hockey game and as a northeast transplant i must say Dallas was a much cooler city then i expected.....definitely more enjoyable then Houston.
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#36
If you're going to go with Fender after all, you REALLY want to go for a Jaguar - not a Jazzmaster. It's a much bigger difference than you think, and the Jaguar just DRIPS with surf vibe and tone. The minute I plugged mine into my Princeton Reverb for the first time, it was heaven.

Jazzmasters have a thinner janglier tone, better for more dry rhythm chords in a surf song, while the Jaguar has big fat pickups that get super bassy (hence the bass cut switch, which is essential for switching to rhythm). The shorter scale also contributes to a different sort of resonance and a different string tension, that makes big thick strings feel much thinner. I play with 11s and they feel like 10s, it's really cool.
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#37
Yeah, I can't stand Houston either. It's like it can't decide if it wants to be a Texas city or a Louisiana city, so it takes the worst of both.

Other cities in Texas?

San Antonio is like a more Hispanic, more conservative, less corrupt version of New Orleans (my birthplace). It's also very "small town" despite it's size. Stuff closes at ridiculous times.

Austin, however, is coolness on hot buttered toast. It's a great city year round, but for a musician of any kind, SXSW is like a freaking banquet of awesome!
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#39
Quote by Sid McCall
If you're going to go with Fender after all, you REALLY want to go for a Jaguar - not a Jazzmaster. It's a much bigger difference than you think, and the Jaguar just DRIPS with surf vibe and tone. The minute I plugged mine into my Princeton Reverb for the first time, it was heaven.

Jazzmasters have a thinner janglier tone, better for more dry rhythm chords in a surf song, while the Jaguar has big fat pickups that get super bassy (hence the bass cut switch, which is essential for switching to rhythm). The shorter scale also contributes to a different sort of resonance and a different string tension, that makes big thick strings feel much thinner. I play with 11s and they feel like 10s, it's really cool.

yeah my ideal guitar would be a jaguar with a 25.5 scale, does the shorter scale bug you? It's smaller then Gibson's. I also do indie atmospheric stuff so that's also why a jazzmaster appeals, I will definitely keep a jaguar in mind as I do love those as well. Could you tell me a bit more about the controls on jags?
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