#1
I'm looking for a new amp. I'm about 80% sure that the Egnater Renegade would be PERFECT for what I need, but there's still that nagging 20%. So, a little about my style. It seems like I prefer Fender cleans, and Marshall gain. I do not, by any means, require a face-melting level of gain, and from the demos of the Renegade 65 that I've seen, this amp would have plenty for me. Also, I need something that can do bedroom levels as well as small gig levels.

In short, the words to describe my ideal clean tone are: BRIGHT; CHIME; FENDER. I also like a little bit of a crunch on my cleans sometimes. I guess maybe something like a Bassman. For overdrive, my ideal tone is pretty much like (insert any number of 80's rock guitarists with a Marshall and ridiculous hair). Above all, Edward Van Halen, on the first two Van Halen albums.

Peavey 6505+ (or a 5150)
Lots of power, lots of gain, I think it still uses the circuit they designed with EVH. However, mostly a one-trick pony, probably won't get the cleans I like at higher-volume, which isn't a deal breaker but it certainly sours it, and probably won't sound very good at bedroom-levels. Also, Eddie's tone in the 90's isn't what people are chasing after. However, it is often recommended for a reason, and I guess some people have been able to coax cleans.

EVH 5150 III 50W
Lots of gain, power, more along the lines of what I'm looking for than the Peavey. However, it seems like the drive might be a little too tight for what I'm looking for, and I'm searching for more of a Marshall sound. Price range is really getting stretched here. And again, the earliest Eddie would have used it would be A Different Kind of Truth, and that's nothing like the Brown Sound.

Marshall DSL100H w/ a 212 cab:
Don't care for the cleans. Overdrive is mostly what I'm looking for. A huge reason why I don't like it: Cannot switch channel modes with footswitch. I can spend a few hundred dollars more than what I would spend for this with a 212 cab (full cab would be overkill, and the combos max out at 40W w/ 1x12 speaker). However, this would also leave me money for some pedals.

Egnater Renegade 65W head (or 212)
TUBE MIX. I don't know if it actually works as well as advertised, but if it does, AWESOME. Both channels have independent EQ, tube mix (can use 6L6 for cleans and EL34 for drive) tight/deep, bright/normal, 65W/18W, the footswitch seems super-usable, reverb, boost and FX loop can be switched to one or both channels.

Let me know if there's any other amps around the $700-1400 range that I should be looking at. The reason I'm so detailed, and want to make absolutely sure that the Renegade will fill my needs, is because it is very highly likely that I will end up making a blind purchase. There are bits and pieces of all these amps that I like. This is a purchase that I will have to live with for a very long time. Currently I'm using a Peavey Vypyr Tube 60, which is pretty good, but I wanna get away from modelling amps. When I'm not using that, I'm using a Blues Jr. with ME-50, which sounds very thin when I use the ME-50's distortions, breaks up too much too quickly.

Basically, an FX loop is a definite requirement. Tubes are not a definite requirement. Gigging volume is a requirement, ability to operate at bedroom levels preferred but willing to buy an attenuator. 2x12 speakers highly preffered. Willing to go used, but prefer not to buy something more than ten years old. It would really be a stretch to go up to $1,500 USD, considering my non-guitar expenditures like car payments and such. I would rather be closer to $1,000.

Thanks in advance for any recommendations and advice!
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#2
The tube mix feature is fairly subtle. It's definitely there, and it definitely effects the amps feel/response, but it's not a 'fender to marshall' type difference. It will, however, probably do what you are looking for.

I have an egnater renegade and a mesa f30. The f30 has glorious cleans, very fenderish. The egnaters in comparison aren't as good. They are nice, but they don't quite have the chime and response of the f30's. Still, they are definitely decent. You probably won't get any more fenderish than the renegade out of a british style gain amp.

The OD channel is british, but it's got it's own thing going. It definitely does a decent reproduction of the brown sound. Whether it's close enough though is really up to you.

Definitely a versatile amp. As with most amps, a tube change from stock can really open the thing up.
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#3
I really like the Renegade.

I like the channel assignable wattage, power tube type, EQ, verb, etc. The footswitch is the beauty behind this amp. Downside is the QC. It is not going to be as well made as the Peavey or the 5153.

The 6505+ is out.

I like the 5153 the best out of what you've listed.

DSL is good too.

Are you strictly looking at new amps?

Where are you located.
#4
I'm not restricting my search to new amps. I'm listening to a clip of the Mesa Boogie F-50 right now. Janesville, WI or Madison, WI or Rockford, IL are the nearest notable cities, but I'm willing to travel a ways if it means getting the right amp.

EDIT: One of the things I really really like about the Renegade is how everything is switchable between channels. Like, I could run the cleans at full wattage for the headroom, then turn around and run the overdrive at 18 watts. Most other amps with a wattage switch won't do that.
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#5
Quote by E V H 5150
I'm not restricting my search to new amps. I'm listening to a clip of the Mesa Boogie F-50 right now. Janesville, WI or Madison, WI or Rockford, IL are the nearest notable cities, but I'm willing to travel a ways if it means getting the right amp.

EDIT: One of the things I really really like about the Renegade is how everything is switchable between channels. Like, I could run the cleans at full wattage for the headroom, then turn around and run the overdrive at 18 watts. Most other amps with a wattage switch won't do that.


The difference between the wattage is quite subtle I've found. That being said, I still love the thing. Put some KT88's in it for while and it brought the thunder. Can heartily recommend it.
#6
Oh cool. I was just up that way skiing at Devil's Head

Have you seen these amps? This is stuff I'd look at.

http://madison.craigslist.org/msg/4309345672.html Mesa Maverick
http://madison.craigslist.org/msg/4284292511.html Mesa Tremoverb
http://madison.craigslist.org/msg/4297933632.html Mesa Stiletto Ace
http://madison.craigslist.org/msd/4280285305.html Renegade
http://madison.craigslist.org/msd/4299788905.html JSX
http://madison.craigslist.org/msg/4247895981.html Night Train 50
http://madison.craigslist.org/msg/4279852929.html 5153
http://madison.craigslist.org/msg/4222712190.html Fryette Memphis
http://rockford.craigslist.org/msg/4286502887.html DSL

I just picked up a Dual Channel Rectoverb and it doesn't have the pristine Fender cleans but it has damn nice cleans and a gain channel that will rip your head off. I got it for $490 at Guitar Center.

I also have a Vypyr 60 that I really like.

I have a buddy here at UG who just got a job at a Guitar Store in Madison I think but I forget the name.
#8
The 5150iii nails early van halen (Marshall) tones...
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#9
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The 5150iii nails early van halen (Marshall) tones...

Not according to people on Rig-Talk

But I digress. I agree with you mmjohn. The 5153 is hella versatile and has a really nice clean channel. It handles drop tuning like a champ as well which where I'm usually sitting. It is similar to the Splawn Quick Rod but arguably has better cleans than the Quick Rod which is why I didn't bring it up.
#10
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
Oh cool. I was just up that way skiing at Devil's Head

Have you seen these amps? This is stuff I'd look at.

http://madison.craigslist.org/msg/4309345672.html Mesa Maverick
http://madison.craigslist.org/msg/4284292511.html Mesa Tremoverb
http://madison.craigslist.org/msg/4297933632.html Mesa Stiletto Ace
http://madison.craigslist.org/msd/4280285305.html Renegade
http://madison.craigslist.org/msd/4299788905.html JSX
http://madison.craigslist.org/msg/4247895981.html Night Train 50
http://madison.craigslist.org/msg/4279852929.html 5153
http://madison.craigslist.org/msg/4222712190.html Fryette Memphis
http://rockford.craigslist.org/msg/4286502887.html DSL

I just picked up a Dual Channel Rectoverb and it doesn't have the pristine Fender cleans but it has damn nice cleans and a gain channel that will rip your head off. I got it for $490 at Guitar Center.

I also have a Vypyr 60 that I really like.

I have a buddy here at UG who just got a job at a Guitar Store in Madison I think but I forget the name.



Never really looked at Mesas before, definitely have to check out those amps. From what it sounds like, the Tremoverb might be what I like if I ended up with a Mesa.

A guy at my local music store was pointing me toward the new Peavey XXX, said it's the JSX without Satriani's name. I bought all my gear from them (except the Strat), so he's pretty familiar with what I'm into. Of course he would prefer that I buy new so he can get paid, but I've also been able to get a hell of a deal on my Jackson and Vypyr so he might be able to cut a deal...

I was referring to the new line of DSL, but some sound clips I heard for the JCM 2000 were pretty good, much better in my opinion than the new DSLs.

Never heard of Fryette, but it sounded good in the clips I listened to. Might have to do more research.

Looks like I'll have to be taking a road trip to Madison. A lot of the clips I'm finding aren't properly mic'ed at all, just using the mic on cheap cameras.
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#11
Quote by E V H 5150
I'm not restricting my search to new amps. I'm listening to a clip of the Mesa Boogie F-50 right now. Janesville, WI or Madison, WI or Rockford, IL are the nearest notable cities, but I'm willing to travel a ways if it means getting the right amp.

The mesa f series gain (this probably applies for most mesas) is probably too american for your tastes, and too heavy. I was just using it to compare with the egnaters cleans.
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#12
I have a Rebel 20 and yeah the tube mix is subtle, pretty cool though. I like running both at the same time. Its rather unique, and fun to play on if anything. My Rebel is much more responsive than. 6505 too, of course I wouldn't mind having one of those either but that would be for death metal more than anything lol.
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#13
Something else I forgot to mention about the Renegade, is that unless the tube mix is at equal mix, you lose a little bit of volume. Doesn't worry me as I've been boring and swapped out for a quad of tubes since I wasn't using the tube mix much.
#14
i would highly suggest that you look into the tremoverb. i have the head, and it is one of the better rec Mesas made. you could set both channels for gain, on channel also has an switch for blues, the other clean. nice reverb. i don't use tremolo regularly. i am running both on gain, one more middy and dark and really chunky, the other with more lead characteristics.

saying that i am not familiar with the roadking II.

i did play a roadster a friend got, but i liked it, but that may be too it was through a port city cab, which is a better cab than i have IMO.
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#15
I'm wondering if I should just try for a Fender SuperSonic Twin. It has the clean character that I'm looking for, sounds like it can get the Blackface cleans and the Bassman tone. The overdrive is lacking for my purposes but I could probably find an overdrive to fix that issue. It has the automatic bias thing. It has a tone-shift thing going on with it that sounded responsive in a demo I listened to. I don't honestly use cleans all that much, but if I had a good clean tone, then I probably would.

EDIT: I use a clean tone less than 40% of the time. And I rarely use much of a Bassman type tone. It's pretty much due to being too lazy to really take the time to actually dial in my Vypyr. If I could get the cleans I want, then I'd probably use it a lot more. Half the time I'm using the Krank model on my Vypyr, with the mids boosted a bit. I also use the 6505 and Dual Rec models. So... maybe an American voice with boosted mids is what I'm after? That's a huge part of the difference that everyone talks about between "British" and "American", right?
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#16
Quote by E V H 5150
I'm wondering if I should just try for a Fender SuperSonic Twin. It has the clean character that I'm looking for, sounds like it can get the Blackface cleans and the Bassman tone. The overdrive is lacking for my purposes but I could probably find an overdrive to fix that issue. It has the automatic bias thing. It has a tone-shift thing going on with it that sounded responsive in a demo I listened to. I don't honestly use cleans all that much, but if I had a good clean tone, then I probably would.


nice cleans, that is for sure but i wasn't impressed with the OD. as little sizzley but overall it does sound good. would i buy one? probably not, but thats you. i advise trying one.

i can't say i would take a renegade over it hands down, i would have to compare them side by side. for a few minutes. hell even an hour. with YOUR guitar and your signal chain and play and take your time.
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#17
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nice cleans, that is for sure but i wasn't impressed with the OD. as little sizzley but overall it does sound good. would i buy one? probably not, but thats you. i advise trying one.

i can't say i would take a renegade over it hands down, i would have to compare them side by side. for a few minutes. hell even an hour. with YOUR guitar and your signal chain and play and take your time.


I would definitely prefer to have all the drive coming from the amp itself. Not entirely sure why, just seems like you'd get better overdrive coming inside the preamp or whatever, not just coming into the preamp already distorted.
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#18
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I would definitely prefer to have all the drive coming from the amp itself. Not entirely sure why, just seems like you'd get better overdrive coming inside the preamp or whatever, not just coming into the preamp already distorted.


pretty much in either of those amps you are not going to get power amp distortion. if you want that you would be deaf and would not be desirable.

boosts, some like them some down. i have probably 12 tube amps or something stupid like that, and i have some that need boosts and some straight in. depends what the amp is and how you want to sound. i used an OCD with the renegade IIRC and it seemed to like it. you could get 'metal' out of it no problem, but the head won't do it alone.

than you take one of my splawns, they are just so hot you do need OD, and they are very loud amps.
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pretty much in either of those amps you are not going to get power amp distortion. if you want that you would be deaf and would not be desirable.

boosts, some like them some down. i have probably 12 tube amps or something stupid like that, and i have some that need boosts and some straight in. depends what the amp is and how you want to sound. i used an OCD with the renegade IIRC and it seemed to like it. you could get 'metal' out of it no problem, but the head won't do it alone.

than you take one of my splawns, they are just so hot you do need OD, and they are very loud amps.


The biggest selling point is the Renegades versatility. With a good choice of pedals, you can get great tones for almost anything out of it. As said above, it takes a boost quite well. Loves my Timmy, loved my BB Preamp, got along pretty well with an MI Tube Zone and was even passable using the TS-9 setting on an M9
#20
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Not according to people on Rig-Talk

But I digress. I agree with you mmjohn. The 5153 is hella versatile and has a really nice clean channel. It handles drop tuning like a champ as well which where I'm usually sitting. It is similar to the Splawn Quick Rod but arguably has better cleans than the Quick Rod which is why I didn't bring it up.

I know I get a kick outta them.... An amp designed around the brown sound that doesn't sound Marshally
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#21
Here's the problem. There's a lot of things I like about all these amps. However, one reason that I initially became set upon the Renegade was because of the independent wattage controls, tube mix, and the footswitch looks very handy, with the assignable fx loop, reverb and boost.

I'm thinking the only way to REALLY get exactly what I'm looking for would be one amp for a cleans and light drive, and another for higher gain tones, which is absolutely not a feasible solution.

It's sounding like the Renegade is what's gonna give me more of both worlds than the other amps. And I figure if my playing style changes and tonal preferences change, and I play something that requires a little more gain, then I could probably just get a distortion pedal.\

So let's say I get the Renegade head from CL, that's $700 right there, then I still have about $500 for a speaker cab, and I'm thinking a 212 would be about right for me. Any recommendations for a cab?
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#22
Dunno about pricing in the states, but I got a Harley Benton 2x12 with V30's from Thomann down to me in Australia. Sounds quite nice with the Renegade, but I've never tried it with other cabs.
#23
here is a curve ball. mesa mkIV? more flexible yet and flexible with things that matter more.

three channels some have shared knobs, but it works well. the active switchable gloabal EQ is great, and you can play nice and quiet. also has a global master. you may wan't an OD (i use one for rhythm 1 and lead just for a little extra smoothness.
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#24
I own a Renegade 65 Combo, and I absolutely love it. Like one of the users said on the last page, it has a good amount of gain, but won't really get into metal territory unless you add a pedal. I will say, however, that this amp is extremely versatile and takes pedals very well, especially boost/od. I don't know how the tube mix is with the smaller wattage versions, but there is definitely an audible difference. The fact that you can blend them is awesome, and you can get some great tone. What is also nice is that you can switch the tone on the fly, which I do when I go from playing Slash/Guns (marshall sound) to Alice in Chains (American voicing)
#25
Quote by E V H 5150
I'm wondering if I should just try for a Fender SuperSonic Twin. It has the clean character that I'm looking for, sounds like it can get the Blackface cleans and the Bassman tone. The overdrive is lacking for my purposes but I could probably find an overdrive to fix that issue. It has the automatic bias thing. It has a tone-shift thing going on with it that sounded responsive in a demo I listened to. I don't honestly use cleans all that much, but if I had a good clean tone, then I probably would.

EDIT: I use a clean tone less than 40% of the time. And I rarely use much of a Bassman type tone. It's pretty much due to being too lazy to really take the time to actually dial in my Vypyr. If I could get the cleans I want, then I'd probably use it a lot more. Half the time I'm using the Krank model on my Vypyr, with the mids boosted a bit. I also use the 6505 and Dual Rec models. So... maybe an American voice with boosted mids is what I'm after? That's a huge part of the difference that everyone talks about between "British" and "American", right?

I really like the SuperSonic. Probably my favorite Fender amp. Not sure I would buy one for what you want. I think you need to explain more about what you like to play. VH1 and 2 is a good start but that is a very narrow description of tone and doesn't seem to jive with other things you are looking for.

I really like the Twin model on my Vypyr 60 with some slap back verb. For disti I am almost always on the Recto or Diezel models but I play a lot of metal.

But yeah, it sounds like you are more after an 'american' voiced amp, yet you mainly play Van Halen I and II type tones

PS: Love old Van Halen myself.


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Never really looked at Mesas before, definitely have to check out those amps. From what it sounds like, the Tremoverb might be what I like if I ended up with a Mesa.

A guy at my local music store was pointing me toward the new Peavey XXX, said it's the JSX without Satriani's name. I bought all my gear from them (except the Strat), so he's pretty familiar with what I'm into. Of course he would prefer that I buy new so he can get paid, but I've also been able to get a hell of a deal on my Jackson and Vypyr so he might be able to cut a deal...

I was referring to the new line of DSL, but some sound clips I heard for the JCM 2000 were pretty good, much better in my opinion than the new DSLs.

Never heard of Fryette, but it sounded good in the clips I listened to. Might have to do more research.

Looks like I'll have to be taking a road trip to Madison. A lot of the clips I'm finding aren't properly mic'ed at all, just using the mic on cheap cameras.

Yeah - go play some stuff. That is the best indicator. Use your own guitar as Trashed mentioned. Playing an unfamiliar guitar into an unfamiliar amp is not a good idea when testing out amps.

Yeah - the Tremoverb is one of the better Mesa's out there. I've never played one but like I said I did just get a Rectoverb for cheap and I'm in love with it. It does mid gain stuff real well too.

I like the XXX/JSX but I'm not sure they are for you. Go play some. The older DSLs are better than the new ones. I probably would not bother buying a new DSL unless I had to have a warranty and I lived in the UK.

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Here's the problem. There's a lot of things I like about all these amps. However, one reason that I initially became set upon the Renegade was because of the independent wattage controls, tube mix, and the footswitch looks very handy, with the assignable fx loop, reverb and boost.

I'm thinking the only way to REALLY get exactly what I'm looking for would be one amp for a cleans and light drive, and another for higher gain tones, which is absolutely not a feasible solution.

It's sounding like the Renegade is what's gonna give me more of both worlds than the other amps. And I figure if my playing style changes and tonal preferences change, and I play something that requires a little more gain, then I could probably just get a distortion pedal.\

So let's say I get the Renegade head from CL, that's $700 right there, then I still have about $500 for a speaker cab, and I'm thinking a 212 would be about right for me. Any recommendations for a cab?

Yeah the features in the Renegade are awesome. I really dig the amp as I mentioned. You should be able to find a head for less than $700. Use the 'Look Up' link in my sig to get relative asking prices across the country. There are not too many amps that have these features but the Mesa Road King comes to mind. Unfortunately, they are not cheap and the people that have them don't feel like parting with them

Again, you are talking about possibly needing more gain and needing a Disti pedal if you get something like a Renegade. What are you playing?

As far as cabs go, the Egnater 212 cabs are nice and a great value. I can also recommend Avatar and Splawn 212 cabs. Those can be found in the $300 - $500 range used. Otherwise, a used Mesa, Orange, Port City, White Box, Harley Benton, etc will work fine.


Quote by E V H 5150
I would definitely prefer to have all the drive coming from the amp itself. Not entirely sure why, just seems like you'd get better overdrive coming inside the preamp or whatever, not just coming into the preamp already distorted.

When running OD pedals you put the Gain on '0' and the Drive on '10' Look at that more as 'clean boosting' your amp. Works great for blues -thru- metal.
#26
i really like egnater and think it will work fine. i think its probably the most versatile on the list, with the 5150 being the least, and the DSL being second least.

i personally would take the EVH if you can get that and a cab within budget. i think its the best mix of versatility, quality, and gives good performance accross all three channels from clean to brutal distortion.
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Thanks, everybody. Sorry for being so late to reply, long week, turns out I'm not that good at CPR. I've pretty much narrowed it down to the Renegade and the EVH. I've found an EVH dealer within a reasonable distance to me, so I'll probably be driving down there in a week or two to test one out. It so happens the only Renegade head I've been able to find is an equal and opposite distance from the EVH dealer I've been able to find. I'm leaning 60/40 toward the EVH, just gotta play it and figure out if the cost above the Renegade is worth it to me. Thanks for all the advice and all the different amps that I never even thought about!
Peavey HP Signature EXP (SH4 JB/ SH2 Jazz)
Jackson DK2M
Fender MIM Stratocaster HSS
Fender MiM Telecaster

EVH 5150 III w/ EVH 2x12 cab
Peavey Vypyr Tube 60
Fender Blues Jr.

Boss ME-50; NS-2; RV-5; BF-3
MXR M101 Phase 90