#1
A little back ground on me 53 years old, act a lot younger. Played guitar in my late teens early 20's and hung it up. Last May bought a 2012 MIM strat, love the way it plays, put in 69 CS pickups, blocked trem, and added a brass block. Totally love my strat but I'm playing more alt rock metal and grunge type music and need an additional guitar for that.

I'm open for any suggestion need to keep it fairly inexpensive so I'm looking for a good bang for the buck guitar. So far the ESP LTD EC-256 is leader in the clubhouse. What else is out there?
Last edited by gibson.greatdan at Feb 8, 2014,
#2
Since you have a guitar with a 25.5 inch scale and single coils, try something with a 24.75 inch scale length with humbuckers! Epiphone G-400 is a good choice that's VERY affordable!

Edit: I've heard great things about that LTD, but it's not gonna be much different than your MIM strat, if different at all
Last edited by Velcro Man at Feb 8, 2014,
#4
OH, sorry, I confused that with the strat LTD makes, now THAT would be nice, and yeah, those EMGs will make a rubberband on a shoebox sound good...though they're about $250+ for the set, if I remember correctly. I usually hate EMGs, but they make a pretty damn good set off pickups with the 57/66

$350 for the Epi and $250 for the EMGs and you'll have a killer guitar for $600, and that's if you buy new! Personally, I'd recommend just buying a good set of dimarzios, if you really need to upgrade the pickups and can solder. Generally around $130 a set. I'd recommend a super distortion or an evo in the bridge and a PAF 36 in the neck, but that's just my opinion! So many choices out there and hey, you might just be happy with the stock pickups
Last edited by Velcro Man at Feb 8, 2014,
#5
I'm assuming the OP is not spending a lot of time on the upper frets; your basic LP really doesn't do much by way of providing easy or comfortable access in the upper reaches. The EMG pickups are fine, though I'm sure we all have preferences if it comes to pickup swapping (and remember that the pickups and the labor (if you're not doing it yourself) simply add to the overall cost of the guitar.

There are a TON of dual humbucker guitars out there. Tons of P90-based guitars, too. I'm guessing that you can't get Agiles where you are; they're a serious bang-for-the-buck guitar.

One final comment; I have a ton of guitars, but I've just gotten lazy, thanks to the JTV-89F I picked up late last year. Tons of upper fret access, 25.5" scale, very good humbucking pickups, great neck and all that Variax stuff under the hood.
Last edited by dspellman at Feb 8, 2014,
#6
Quote by dspellman
<*headscratch*> -- That LTD is a 24.75" scale guitar with humbuckers and would likely be as different from the strat as the Epi, no?

I'm assuming the OP is not spending a lot of time on the upper frets; your basic LP really doesn't do much by way of providing easy or comfortable access in the upper reaches.

There are a TON of dual humbucker guitars out there. Tons of P90-based guitars, too. I'm guessing that you can't get Agiles where you are; they're a serious bang-for-the-buck guitar.

One final comment; I have a ton of guitars, but I've just gotten lazy, thanks to the JTV-89F I picked up late last year. Tons of upper fret access, 25.5" scale, very good humbucking pickups, great neck and all that Variax stuff under the hood.


Yeah, sorry, thought it was their strat version. I recommend the G-400 because it's every bit as good as an LP Standard, but $200 less
#7
Quote by Velcro Man
Yeah, sorry, thought it was their strat version. I recommend the G-400 because it's every bit as good as an LP Standard, but $200 less


And I just went back and edited because I was off doing the reply while you were doing YOUR reply and...

These are fun, too:

#8
check out agile rondomusic.com they are solid guitars for $225 new. made in korea, set neck, nice looking, they make a thin and wide neck version as well for the same price.
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#9
Who makes those guitars Dspellman?

I'm in the US and Amazon sells Agile's but no one around me does. Would like to check one out in person, even if I did buy online.

And I do all my own guitar work so upgrades are just parts. Prob would buy EMG's, Prob Dimarzio's or maybe even try the GTF pu's.. But must get the guitar first, upgrades come later when I get bored
#10
Quote by gibson.greatdan
Who makes those guitars Dspellman?

I'm in the US and Amazon sells Agile's but no one around me does. Would like to check one out in person, even if I did buy online.

And I do all my own guitar work so upgrades are just parts. Prob would buy EMG's, Prob Dimarzio's or maybe even try the GTF pu's.. But must get the guitar first, upgrades come later when I get bored

Agile guitars are sold by www.rondomusic.com they are good quality:price guitars.

I doubt you will find one in a store to play first, but there may be a used one in your area.
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#11
Quote by gibson.greatdan
Who makes those guitars Dspellman?

I'm in the US and Amazon sells Agile's but no one around me does. Would like to check one out in person, even if I did buy online.

And I do all my own guitar work so upgrades are just parts. Prob would buy EMG's, Prob Dimarzio's or maybe even try the GTF pu's.. But must get the guitar first, upgrades come later when I get bored


the agile would be a great guitar to upgrade. just check out the specs this is just an example, they come in a shitton of diff colors.

http://www.rondomusic.com/al2000goldhum.html
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#12
Agiles are kinda dangerous, they have VERY spotty quality control, for every good Agile, there's one ready to just fall apart and you can only either buy directly from the company without playing or buy used...so, meh. It's kind of like flipping a coin, it will either be great or just bad.
#13
I came soooooooo close to just buying an Agile guitar without even playing one, but in the end I just couldn't do it without holding it in my hand. I had read so many different opinions on whether or not taking a chance on the quality was a good thing. Im keeping an eye out for a used one just to mess with.

EDIT: Just saw Velcro Mans post and thats what I was talking about
Last edited by BluesPowered at Feb 8, 2014,
#14
Indeed, if you get an PROPER Agile, they're some of the best deals on the new guitar market, probably because they only sell direct. They're really big in the 8 string market, before Ibanez released the RG8, Agile was the only company selling them in the truly affordable price range. They also use long scale lengths which benefit the lower strings! They also use fanned frets on their higher end models which is an AMAZING touch, kudos to Agile...if they'd just solve their QC problem, they'd be the biggest name in guitars, really.

Hell, who else sells a 6 string bass for $140
#15
If you want EMGs, consider checking out Fernandes' direct sales website. They're having a clearance sale on limited quantities of their guitars; when they're gone, they're gone. The prices are stupid low.

http://www.fernandesguitarshop.com/ravelle/71-ravelle-deluxe.html
http://www.fernandesguitarshop.com/monterey/70-monterey-deluxe-tremolo.html
http://www.fernandesguitarshop.com/deluxe/68-dragonfly-deluxe.html

And this one has the EMG 81 in the bridge partnered with the Sustainer in the neck:
http://www.fernandesguitarshop.com/vertigo/65-vertigo-elite.html


Godin also has a couple in their Redline series you might like.

http://godinguitars.com/godinredline3p.htm
http://godinguitars.com/godinredlineIIp.htm
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Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Feb 8, 2014,
#16
Man for $225 that sounds like a chance worth taking. Amazon sells them through rondo and was reading reviews. Some people got a bad one and Rondo sent them a replacement no hassle. Might be something to think about. Love the gold top 2000. Gonna study this before I jump into it.

Found another guitar that peaked my interest. Not sure I want to mess with active pickups but the Epiphone Prophecy Les Paul Custom Plus EX Electric Guitar with EMG USA Pickups, Midnight Ebony looks very nice
#17
Quote by dannyalcatraz
If you want EMGs, consider checking out Fernandes' direct sales website. They're having a clearance sale on limited quantities of their guitars; when they're gone, they're gone. The prices are stupid low.

http://www.fernandesguitarshop.com/ravelle/71-ravelle-deluxe.html
http://www.fernandesguitarshop.com/monterey/70-monterey-deluxe-tremolo.html
http://www.fernandesguitarshop.com/deluxe/68-dragonfly-deluxe.html

And this one has the EMG 81 in the bridge partnered with the Sustainer in the neck:
http://www.fernandesguitarshop.com/vertigo/65-vertigo-elite.html


Godin also has a couple in their Redline series you might like.

http://godinguitars.com/godinredline3p.htm
http://godinguitars.com/godinredlineIIp.htm


EMG pickups are not a requirement or a want, just ran across that video of them testing the EMG's on the ESP model I was looking at.

Thanks for the links, looks like some good deals
#18
OK.

Check out the other guitars in Fernandes's sale- good deals on non-EMG axes to be had, too. I almost scored a Ravelle SHIN Koi there, but they ran out.

What do you want Axe #2 to do for you?

Oh yeah- what's your budget?
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Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Feb 8, 2014,
#19
Quote by dannyalcatraz
OK.

Check out the other guitars in Fernandes's sale- good deals on non-EMG axes to be had, too. I almost scored a Ravelle SHIN Koi there, but they ran out.

What do you want Axe #2 to do for you?

Oh yeah- what's your budget?


Just ended up playing more Alt rock, Metal and grunge music that the Strat is not the best for. Need a dirtier humbucker sound.

Budget trying to keep it under $600 but less would be better...
#20
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Feb 8, 2014,
#21
yeah rondos return policy is great. great platform for modding experiments.
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#22
Quote by dannyalcatraz
If you want EMGs, consider checking out Fernandes' direct sales website. They're having a clearance sale on limited quantities of their guitars; when they're gone, they're gone. The prices are stupid low.

http://www.fernandesguitarshop.com/ravelle/71-ravelle-deluxe.html
http://www.fernandesguitarshop.com/monterey/70-monterey-deluxe-tremolo.html
http://www.fernandesguitarshop.com/deluxe/68-dragonfly-deluxe.html

And this one has the EMG 81 in the bridge partnered with the Sustainer in the neck:
http://www.fernandesguitarshop.com/vertigo/65-vertigo-elite.html


Godin also has a couple in their Redline series you might like.

http://godinguitars.com/godinredline3p.htm
http://godinguitars.com/godinredlineIIp.htm



That Monterey Deluxe is calling my name
#23
just a heads up, rondo has a couple agiles on sale for $195.
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#24
Quote by romeozdistress
just a heads up, rondo has a couple agiles on sale for $195.


I've got the Flat Black AL-2000 Wide in my cart..... $195


http://www.rondomusic.com/product5550.html

Really like Epiphone Prophecy and others but for the money I might roll the dice on this Agile
Last edited by gibson.greatdan at Feb 9, 2014,
#26
Luck!
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#27
congrats im sure you will love it man.
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#28
Quote by gibson.greatdan
I ordered the Flat Black wide Agile AL-2000. Hope I get a good one.. Wish me luck


My beef with flat black guitars is that you usually end up with a shiny spot or two after a while. If you anchor your picking hand, definitely leave the pickguard on <G>.

Flat black was such a fad in SoCal that it's actually become passe -- I swear, everything from guitars to table utensils was done in flat black for a while.
#29
Quote by dspellman
My beef with flat black guitars is that you usually end up with a shiny spot or two after a while. If you anchor your picking hand, definitely leave the pickguard on <G>.

Flat black was such a fad in SoCal that it's actually become passe -- I swear, everything from guitars to table utensils was done in flat black for a while.


I called Rondo and cancelled this before they shipped. We have some flat black furniture and I totally get the shiny spots.

Was just gonna change it to a color and then started thinking of the Agile AL-3010SE. Then saw a ESP LTD 256 new for $299 free shipping...
#30
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And I just went back and edited because I was off doing the reply while you were doing YOUR reply and...

These are fun, too:


those do look cool.
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#31
Well...

Godin's Richmond line has the Empire and the Belmont which might interest you.

http://www.richmondguitarscanada.com/empire.html
http://www.richmondguitarscanada.com/belmont.html
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

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Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
#32
Quick shout out for the Agile - bought an AL-3200 in Rootbeer Flame. Absolutely gorgeous. Great finish on it. Just swapped out the humbuckers as wasn't too keen on the neck one (bit tinny). Would absolutely buy another Agile again. Service from Rondo (I'm in Oz so had to deal over email) was great too.

Good luck whatever you go for.