#1
I haven't had a chance to do a good NGD in years. Figured I wouldn't waste this golden opportunity to show off

A friend and I are building a guitar out of a kit, and making a few modifications here and there to distinguish it. The kit comes from a company called ML Factory, it's on Amazon, and costs around $250CDNish?

So I don't have any pics with the hardware yet but it looks like there's a locking nut at the end of the neck and roller tuners in the pretty massive solid metal bridge (which weighs nearly as much as the wood!).

I'll be purchasing the pickups from a friend of mine whose family runs a guitar shop, and I'm thinking of going with something vintage but quirky, like a P90 style single-coil in the neck and a hex pole humbucker in the bridge or something to that effect. I want this guitar to have some contrast. We're also talking about installing a piezoelectric pickup, which is totally cool!

Anyways, pics!


Obviously, the quilt maple top looks much better in person. Same goes for the khaya mahogany body. They'll look even better once they're finished with Tru-Oil.


I'm surprised this company got away with putting the birds on a knock-off kit guitar. Either way, the profile of this neck is the most comfortable I've ever held.


Just a shot to show the bridge cavity and the binding. The bridge is freakin' massive. I don't even know how it all works yet, this is my first headless!


This is where we're gonna be making some modifications to the basic look of the guitar, for playability's sake. The heel of the neck is going to be taken down a bit, and we might open up that PRS-style cutaway a little more, to improve upper fret access.


Just an attempt to show the grain of the mahogany back.


The ETA on completion is pretty much whenever I can afford the pickups, so maybe in a month or so. Even so, the kit came with a set of pickups (with the cheapest looking, ugliest plastic black mounting rings I've ever seen) that could be installed if I were desperate to play it. But I do care enough about the tone and the look to hold out.

Another thing I love about this guitar is that it's obviously light as a feather. I'm gonna have to tie it down with guide cables to stop it floating away like a balloon!
Q: Favourite Pink Floyd song?
A: The one where they get wicked high and play Emin and A for an hour.
#2
Looks like a fun & cool project! Not being all that handy, I'm kind of jealous.

What brand options do you have on the pickups?
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#3
wow that looks really badass, can't wait to see the finished result as well as all of the progress pics in the mean time!


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#4
Quote by dannyalcatraz
Looks like a fun & cool project! Not being all that handy, I'm kind of jealous.

What brand options do you have on the pickups?

A good friend of mine's family runs a guitar shop that sells pickups. I'm actually not sure of the brand name if there is one, but I've personally heard them in other guitars and used them before myself and they're at least as good as boutiques.

Eventually, down the line when I feel up to swapping out the pickups for this guitar's final form, I plan on going with either Bare Knuckles or Lace. But that's after I've tried the rest!

Quote by SYLrules88
wow that looks really badass, can't wait to see the finished result as well as all of the progress pics in the mean time!

I won't be the one actually doing the assembling, as far as I know, but I'll try my damnedest to get progress pics!
Q: Favourite Pink Floyd song?
A: The one where they get wicked high and play Emin and A for an hour.
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#5
Quote by travislausch
A good friend of mine's family runs a guitar shop that sells pickups. I'm actually not sure of the brand name if there is one, but I've personally heard them in other guitars and used them before myself and they're at least as good as boutiques.

Eventually, down the line when I feel up to swapping out the pickups for this guitar's final form, I plan on going with either Bare Knuckles or Lace. But that's after I've tried the rest!

Right, I got that. I was asking what brands they sell. Most shops- even big chains- only offer a few different makers.

I was hoping to help sort through the options!

(I have to say, though, that Lace and BareKnuckle are top-notch, and are perennially on my list of options.)
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Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Feb 10, 2014,
#6
Quote by dannyalcatraz
I was hoping to help sort through the options!

Feel free to peruse.
Q: Favourite Pink Floyd song?
A: The one where they get wicked high and play Emin and A for an hour.
#7
Interesting! They have pretty much anything.

It looks like you have already routed the body for HB-sized pickups. If your goal is to have some tonal variance, I'd go for a HB-sized P90 in the neck and a HB in the bridge position. That's a combo I've seen more and more over the past few years, first with the Reverend Double Agent, then with offerings from Fender, Nik Huber, and others. I'm having a custom built with that setup, and plan to convert a LP style guitar into one as well.

Something else you could do is put a piezo system in the bridge if you can. The Fret-King Black Label Elise GG not only has the HB/P90 arrangement, but has that piezo system as well...and apparently lets the player mix all of those inputs together, as needed. THAT is flexibility.

http://fret-king.com/black-label/elise-gg-gordon-giltrap.html#.UviBO8u9KSM
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#8
At this moment, I'm quite limited by budget, so any considerations I make will be later on, after I've broken 'er in.

But that Fre-King system looks orgasmic. It's actually exactly what I want in a guitar. It just depends on whether it's installable in a headless guitar with a rather unique bridge setup.

This is the set I'm most interested in at the moment, if I decide to play the safe route, which is probably what I'm going to end up doing. As eccentric as I'd like this instrument to be, I have to admit these vintage pickups look classy as ****.
Q: Favourite Pink Floyd song?
A: The one where they get wicked high and play Emin and A for an hour.
Last edited by travislausch at Feb 10, 2014,
#9
Tell me about it!

If you decide to go that way, you might be able to skimp on the other pickups, but get the best piezo system you can. Sucky piezos suck HARD. And my understanding is that it's much more of a hassle to change one of those out than standard pickups.
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#10
I might want to skip using the piezo I already own then. I can't be 100 percent sure of its quality.

I edited the last post, too if you haven't caught it yet ^^;
Q: Favourite Pink Floyd song?
A: The one where they get wicked high and play Emin and A for an hour.
#11
Dude, there's absolutely nothing wrong with plain vanilla pickups...however, this is essentially a custom guitar.

So, as long as it's within your budget, swing for the fences! Make this thing an extension of YOU. There are a myriad of HH guitars out there. Some are headless. Some are semihollow. Some very few may even be headless AND semihollow.

Were I in your shoes, I'd want to make this thing as much as possible a manifestation of my creative vision. IOW, I wouldn't be thinking about "safe" choices. I'd be thinking about how I can make this project resonate with "me-ness".

(Within the budget, of course! )

Maybe that means its a HH guitar, but the humbuckers are splittable. Or one is ultra hot while the other is more vintage. Or whatever!

This instrument is YOURS. Make it so from end to end!
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#12
I'm mostly worried about unwanted feedback, since that's most definitely not me! And I've never played a semi-hollow before, only a hollow body with no center block, and I couldn't get the feedback to stop. As much as I would love to throw in some cheaper high-gain pickups, I gotta think of the tone and the playability. But I've got a while to confer on this so nothing's entirely set in stone yet.
Q: Favourite Pink Floyd song?
A: The one where they get wicked high and play Emin and A for an hour.
#13
I have a Jon Kammerer semihollow like one of these:

https://reverb.com/marketplace?query=Jon+Kammerer

I've never had a feedback issue.

That's mainly a problem for full hollowbodies and electric/acoustics in amplified settings. I mean, it IS a valid concern, but not a big one.

Besides, that's why guitars and amps have knobs!
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Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Feb 10, 2014,
#14
OH SNAP. that looks awesome
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#15
Honestly, not being cocky, but I thought you'd all think that. Even if it is a fairly inexpensive kit, and not 100% unique, I know for a fact I'll be the only person for hundreds of miles with one. It'll stick out like a sore thumb in this Strat-and-LP town.
Q: Favourite Pink Floyd song?
A: The one where they get wicked high and play Emin and A for an hour.
#17
Thanks guys! You'd expect someone who's been here since time immemorial to have realized that by now! I've never normally been this active on the forum, though. It kind of feels like joining a community I've always been a part of!

I digress though, feedback may be less of an issue than I might think, so I'll take that into consideration when making my final decision on the pickups

For what it's worth, I normally play progressive rock and metal. My own music is like someone putting Periphery, Opeth and King Crimson into a blender, and pouring it out and stirring it with Rick Wakeman. I need something I can push to sound tight and modern, but still get a sweet vintage tone when I want one.
Q: Favourite Pink Floyd song?
A: The one where they get wicked high and play Emin and A for an hour.
#18
KC? Opeth? Periphery?

You probably don't need the cleanest pickups in the world for 2/3rds of that list, and a HBS-P90 might not be on the list, either. Maybe medium-high output HBs- possibly splittable- would be in order.

Then again, my work in progress custom Teleclone is going to have a high-output HB in the bridge (splittable) and a high-output HBS-P90*, with a Bigsby...and will be tuned to CGDAEG. (It's a solidbody, not a semihollow, though.)

And Fripp himself has some fairly hot pickups in his own stuff- check out the specs on these hollowbodies Crimson guitar did with him. I can't speak to the Wizards, but the Fernandes Sustainer is not a low-output pickup.

http://crimsonguitars.com/gallery/robert-fripp-custom-hollow/
http://crimsonguitars.com/gallery/robert-fripp-hollow-standard/


* courtesy of The Creamery
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Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Feb 10, 2014,
#19
Quote by dannyalcatraz
KC? Opeth? Periphery?

You probably don't need the cleanest pickups in the world for 2/3rds of that list

I understand what you mean, but when it comes to Opeth, I actually rather stray away from their metal material. "Heritage" and "Watershed" are where it's at.

And Fripp himself has some fairly hot pickups in his own stuff- check out the specs on these hollowbodies Crimson guitar did with him. I can't speak to the Wizards, but the Fernandes Sustainer is not a low-output pickup.

http://crimsonguitars.com/gallery/robert-fripp-custom-hollow/
http://crimsonguitars.com/gallery/robert-fripp-hollow-standard/

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Q: Favourite Pink Floyd song?
A: The one where they get wicked high and play Emin and A for an hour.
#20
I'm just saying you don't have to go pure classic or full-bore metal in the pickups- split the difference!

And yes, I know where to find all kinds of filthy sexy axes.
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#21
Wow I have to say that's the coolest kit guitar I've ever seen, let alone for how cheap it is. Nice snag!
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#22
looks nice so far
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Wow I have to say that's the coolest kit guitar I've ever seen, let alone for how cheap it is. Nice snag!

I was amazed when he offered it to me, because had I seen the same kit online, I probably would have bought it myself. I've always loved the style of PRS guitars, semi-hollows, and headless guitars are really cool, so it was a pretty natural fit.

Anyways, I secured some funds for the pickups, and as soon as I got them, the build is on! So very, very stoked.
Q: Favourite Pink Floyd song?
A: The one where they get wicked high and play Emin and A for an hour.
#24
UPDATE:

Though there's no actual build progress to report, due to lack of funding lately, my tax return has finally let me finalize the hardware:

Pickups: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/ALNICO-CHROME-DOUBLE-COIL-GUITAR-PICKUP-SET-/201006325790?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item2ecce9201e

Ivory pickup mounting rings (the kit came with a really cheap looking black set): http://www.ebay.ca/itm/IVORY-THIN-FLAT-NECK-GUITAR-PICKUP-FRAME-MOUNTING-RING-/200399587116?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item2ea8bf072c

Wood tone and volume knobs: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/BEAUTIFUL-WOOD-ELECTRIC-GUITAR-KNOB-luthier-/400199968675?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item5d2dc6e7a3

Schaller-style strap locks: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/CHROME-LOCKING-GUITAR-STRAP-PIN-/200600379929?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item2eb4b6e219

Also picking up these to go with the order, and for the price I can't go wrong sharing this deal:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2-SETS-DADDARIO-GUITAR-STRINGS-SUPER-LIGHT-STAINLESS-STEEL-XLS530-/201029314128?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item2ece47e650

I've also decided on a couple more models down the line, including an ambitious seven-string fretless hollowbody headless version
Q: Favourite Pink Floyd song?
A: The one where they get wicked high and play Emin and A for an hour.