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#1
Apparantly the world seems shocked by this.
Even Pat Robertson says we have no compassion. Oh the irony..

Anyway, what are your views on this?
I'm undecided, but i see that it's not humane to let someone live with an incurable disease or tremendous pain 24/7.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/12/belgium-legalise-euthanasia-children-age-limit

"Belgium is expected on Thursday to become the first country in the world to abolish all age restrictions on the right to die, extending permitted euthanasia to terminally ill children.

Following months of painful and divisive debate the Belgian parliament is expected to pass a law extending euthanasia – which has been possible in the country for the past 12 years – to minors.

Belgium is one of only three countries to have legalised euthanasia, the others being Luxembourg and the Netherlands. The Dutch also allow minors the right to die from the age of 12. Belgium will be the first to drop all age restrictions.

The contested legislation has already gone through the upper house of senate by a 3-1 majority and also passed parliament's justice committee.

The centre-left, liberals and Greens are expected to support the extension, while parts of the centre-right, allied with the Catholic church, which opposes euthanasia, will vote against.

"It is not about deciding whether a child is or is not to die," said Daniel Baquelaine, an MP who backs the new law and who is also a doctor. "Death is coming quickly. It is therefore necessary to allow the child to express what he thinks of the end of life, about how to die."

The extension of the right to die to minors is hedged with tight conditions. The bill states that the child must "be in a hopeless medical situation of constant and unbearable suffering that cannot be eased and which will cause death in the short-term".

Parental approval is needed, although it is not quite clear what happens if two parents of a child disagree. Psychiatric and medical advice is also required.

Although no age limits are set, the bill says that the child must display "a capacity of discernment and be conscious at the moment of the request".

It is not clear whether this rules out euthanasia for the very young. And the notion is contested by opponents.

A group of 160 paediatricians, opposed to giving children the right to die, said: "In practice, there is no objective method for determining whether a child is gifted with the ability of discernment and judgment. This is actually a largely subjective assessment and subject to influences."

The heated debate has split the medical, legal, and political professions, with the Catholic church staging prayer vigils in protest, and hospice and palliative care specialists stating themselves generally opposed.

Opinion polls show public majority support for the radical move. The paediatricians have called for a delay and further debate on the matter.

While supporters in the medical profession say such euthanasia is likely to be applied only in a few cases a year, the paediatricians claimed it was not necessary. They said they had never faced such demands; palliative care was now so sophisticated they could "fully control the physical pain, choking, or anxiety as they approach death".

They added that allowing euthanasia for children would create unbearable stress for carers and relatives.

"The care of seriously ill children is already complex enough. In such circumstances, it is even more difficult for medical staff and the family to be further faced with a particularly difficult ethical choice. The extension of the law to children will only increase their distress and stress."

Supporters said the bill would help bring ethical clarity and close loopholes – such as where doctors were quietly acceding to child euthanasia in excruciating circumstances but then facing prosecution for breaking the law.

There were 1,432 cases of euthanasia in 2012 in Belgium, according to official figures.

"The existence of a law is the best means of guarding against possible malpractice," said Le Soir, the main French language newspaper in Belgium."
#4
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Who even cares about Belgium


people who like belgian waffles
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#5
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Who even cares about Belgium

People that like chocolate and beer, so i'm guessing that's a lot of people.
#7
I don't think a child is capable of making such decisions.

And why would anybody want to die in a place so dense with waffles?
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Last edited by AeroRocker at Feb 13, 2014,
#9
Quote by AeroRocker
I don't think a child is capable of making such decisions.


The decision isn't being left to the children alone; it's being made by the child, their parents, and the doctors together.

*edit*
I personally think it's a good thing though. What kind of life does a child with a terminal disease have anyway? What good is it to make him suffer if the child, parents and doctors are supportive of euthanizing him?
Last edited by Jehuty at Feb 13, 2014,
#10
Quote by Jehuty
The decision isn't being left to the children alone; it's being made by the child, their parents, and the doctors together.


Which means it will be the parents and doctors making the decision to kill a kid, since I doubt that kid would be able to properly understand the situation or verbalize his thoughts. My gut reaction says no, but I'll sit on it.
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#11
Quote by AeroRocker
Which means it will be the parents and doctors making the decision to kill a kid, since I doubt that kid would be able to properly understand the situation or verbalize his thoughts. My gut reaction says no, but I'll sit on it.


It depends on the kids age though. As far as I'm concerned, a ten year old is definitely able to verbalize his thoughts. But I understand your point.
#12
Quote by AeroRocker
Which means it will be the parents and doctors making the decision to kill a kid, since I doubt that kid would be able to properly understand the situation or verbalize his thoughts. My gut reaction says no, but I'll sit on it.

The kid is their property anyway they can throw him away if they choose to.
#13
I would've killed myself a million times in middle school if I had the option to do it legally. Bad idea belgium, stick to waffles.
#14
But the parents and doctors have to give approval. Also, they have to "be in a hopeless medical situation of constant and unbearable suffering that cannot be eased and which will cause death in the short-term".


I don't see a problem with this. It's hard to call it "right", but it's not "wrong". I don't think I or the state or any individual should be telling someone in that situation what the "correct thing to do is". They have the right to control their own lives.
#15
I fully support the right to die, my aunty who has MS is in a hospital bed, can barely move and always has trouble finishing her sentences along with a million other things, and that was 2 years ago when i last saw here, she's even worse now. I don't think she's the type of person that would want this for herself, especially since we're in an age so close to a cure she may be able to get a good 10-20 years if they get a full blown cure. But with that being said, it would drive me insane personally, and that's what this comes down to, personal choice, if someone can't stand to be a vegetable or a quadriplegic who can't talk etc or someone with a disease that slowly or quickly deteriorates their quality of living to the point they can't enjoy life, who is to say that their life is worth living except them?

This should only apply to be who have no quality of life left, not because they think they have nothing left to live for, but because they seriously have nothing left to live for but shit in a bed pan, have a catheter in their junk, hooked up to machines and might get wheeled outside to see nature every now and then, watching tv and maybe reading a book if their lucky enough to use their arms. As for the kid situation, i think it's a decision that would have to be made by the kid/family and the doctors.
#16
Quote by bradulator
I would've killed myself a million times in middle school if I had the option to do it legally. Bad idea belgium, stick to waffles.


That settles it.


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#17
The extension of the right to die to minors is hedged with tight conditions. The bill states that the child must "be in a hopeless medical situation of constant and unbearable suffering that cannot be eased and which will cause death in the short-term".


Although no age limits are set, the bill says that the child must display "a capacity of discernment and be conscious at the moment of the request".


With those stipulations, yeah, I don't see why a child who would be in such a condition as explained above shouldn't be able to die.
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#18
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The kid is their property anyway they can throw him away if they choose to.

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#19
For me euthanasia(Tygers Of The Pan Tang) seems like suicide when you are ill. There's no law against suicide so I don't what's problem. It's their decision. Kids wich are really ill grow faster than others. So I think that most of them are responsible for their decision.
Last edited by binadra1234 at Feb 13, 2014,
#20
I don't see why we should let children suffer when we don't have to
You who build these altars now

To sacrifice these children
You must not do it anymore
Last edited by the bartender at Feb 13, 2014,
#21
Quote by binadra1234
For me euthanasia(Tygers Of The Pan Tang) seems like suicide when you are ill. There's no law against suicide so I don't what's problem. It's their decision. Kids wich are really ill grow faster than others. So I think that most of them are responsible for their decision.



Actually

Historically in the Christian church, people who attempted suicide were excommunicated. Suicide and attempted suicide, while previously criminally punishable, is no longer in most Western countries. It remains a criminal offense in most Islamic countries. In the late 19th century in Great Britain, attempted suicide was deemed to be equivalent to attempted murder and could be punished by hanging.[10] In the United States, suicide is not illegal but may be associated with penalties for those who attempt it.However, no country in Europe currently considers attempted suicide to be a crime.
In Singapore, a person who attempts to commit suicide can be imprisoned for up to one year.
In India, attempted suicide is an offense punishable under Section 309 of the Indian Penal Code. Section 309 reads thus: Attempt to commit suicide. "Whoever attempts to commit suicide and does any act towards the commission of such offence, shall be punished with simple imprisonment for a term which may extend to one year or with fine, or with both."
As of 2012, attempted suicide is a criminal offense in Uganda.
As of 2013, attempted suicide is criminalized in Ghana.


But that's beside the point. I'm pretty much 99% okay with this. Though I'm sure most children under the age of five haven't any idea about what is going on. I can see a child 5+ understanding enough about their situation to make a decision like this(with the aid of their parents/doctors).
#22
Quote by binadra1234
For me euthanasia(Tygers Of The Pan Tang) seems like suicide when you are ill. There's no law against suicide so I don't what's problem. It's their decision. Kids wich are really ill grow faster than others. So I think that most of them are responsible for their decision.


Suicide is actually against the law.
#23
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This. Google blue waffle, it's just delicious m8.
#24
While it is tough when getting into whether a child has the capacity to make such a decision, in this case I think a child can understand their own suffering, and if they are going to die anyway. Considering the stipulations are strict, I support this.
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