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Ellen Page has come out as gay and now she's getting all this praise and stuff. But the way I see it,it's not really an accomplishment, you never hear straight people being praised for being straight so it seems that the only people who make a big deal out of being gay nowadays is gay people. I have no problem with gay people, I really couldn't give a f*ck if someone is gay, but if they wanted to be treated equally shouldn't they start by not having parades. If someone tried to start a "Straight Pride" parade they'd be done for discrimination.
#3
Oh for crying out...
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#8
The fact that they're gay may not be an accomplishment, but the fact that they're open about something that a major part of society condemns is.
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#9
Every ****ing day is straight pride day.
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The fact that they're gay may not be an accomplishment, but the fact that they're open about something that a major part of society condemns is.

But she shouldn't even need to make an announcement in the first place, no gay person should, straight people don't have to come out as straight, there's no need for the average gay person to tell the whole world there gay, if I went up to Northern Ireland and went around telling everyone I was raised as a Catholic i'd be shot, do I go up and have a parade about it, no.
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#12


Think long and hard about power dynamics and the reason these events started in the first place and get back to us. And that catholic thing is a false equivalence.
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Think long and hard about power dynamics and the reason these events started in the first place and get back to us. And that catholic thing is a false equivalence.

How, people don't choose to be gay, I didn't choose to be raised a Catholic.
#14
I think I know what you mean TS and i sort of agree..
problem is that you can't really say stuff like that because it's a highly controversial issue and nearly everyone tends to be heavily biased on the whole thing.

The classic "let them be gay but tell them to not shove it in my face" is something that has some basic validity but is still driven by underlying homophobia 99% of the time

If everyone where to treat being gay as a completely normal thing then we would have reached a sort of utopian level in this area. all in all, the bigger evil by far is the whole anti-gay agenda.
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But she shouldn't even need to make an announcement in the first place, no gay person should, straight people don't have to come out as straight, there's no need for the average gay person to tell the while world there gay, if I went up to Northern Ireland and went around telling everyone I was raised as a Catholic i'd be shot, do I go up and have a parade about it, no.

Even if we accept what you're saying as true, she's hardly the average gay person.

She's a celebrity and there's been speculation about her personal life for years. This is her putting that speculation to rest and finally being able to be completely herself without having to second guess whether something she says will trigger a shitload of speculation in the press.

And the religion comparison is hardly appropriate. Your religion is entirely your own choosing and is a personal belief. Your sexuality isn't a choice and it generally involves other people to some extent.

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but you do choose to associate yourself with catholicism.

Being raised in a religion doesn't tie you to that religion for life and you can renounce that association at will.
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But she shouldn't even need to make an announcement in the first place, no gay person should, straight people don't have to come out as straight, there's no need for the average gay person to tell the whole world there gay, if I went up to Northern Ireland and went around telling everyone I was raised as a Catholic i'd be shot, do I go up and have a parade about it, no.

I agree that it shouldn't be necessary, but that doesn't mean that it isn't in the current situation.
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#17
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But she shouldn't even need to make an announcement in the first place, no gay person should, straight people don't have to come out as straight, there's no need for the average gay person to tell the whole world there gay, if I went up to Northern Ireland and went around telling everyone I was raised as a Catholic i'd be shot, do I go up and have a parade about it, no.

for someone with a pornstar's ass as their avatar, it's a bit ironic how you seem to have a problem with people voicing their sexuality




#18
Whilst there shouldn't be a need for people to feel like they can't be open about their sexuality, society (Russia) is being a dick. But I do sympathise with the standpoint that by treating something as different, discrimination can become more rife.

So I propose the LGBT in Society Tipping Point Index. We assign a number to groups of people based on their influence on society. A normal person with no influence is 1, up to Ellen Page at around 7, to George Clooney at 15. If a person comes out, their number is applied to a multiplier- 1.2x for homosexual, through to 7.32x for transgender. So if George Clooney came out as a transgender person, the number would be 109.8. If a person publically speaks out against LGBT, their influence number is turned negative. We make a running tally, adding all these numbers up. Once that tally reacehes 75,000, we should stop making a fuss about people coming out, because enough people of differing influences have changed society for the better.
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And the religion comparison is hardly appropriate. Your religion is entirely your own choosing and is a personal belief. Your sexuality isn't a choice and it generally involves other people to some extent.


It is an appropriate comparison though, if someone from the Republic of Ireland goes up to the north they are assumed as Catholic, and even if you are an atheist you are still seen as a Catholic because of where you come from.
#20
In this social climate, coming out as gay, whether you're famous or not, is a very brave thing to do and people should be praised for it.

However, it totally sucks that people have to announce their sexuality to the world. It's odd that people are assumed to be straight until they announce otherwise. When I look at a random person on the street, I'll probably assume that they're straight but they might be gay, bi, a crossdresser, anything other than straight.

Praise should be given to Ellen Page for coming out, but the world would be a far better place if she didn't need to announce it.
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So I propose the LGBT in Society Tipping Point Index. We assign a number to groups of people based on their influence on society. A normal person with no influence is 1, up to Ellen Page at around 7, to George Clooney at 15. If a person comes out, their number is applied to a multiplier- 1.2x for homosexual, through to 7.32x for transgender. So if George Clooney came out as a transgender person, the number would be 109.8. If a person publically speaks out against LGBT, their influence number is turned negative. We make a running tally, adding all these numbers up. Once that tally reacehes 75,000, we should stop making a fuss about people coming out, because enough people of differing influences have changed society for the better.

The numbers seem completely arbitrary but I love numberifying things so I totally approve of this
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#24
People don't come out as straight because everyone is assumed straight, as well straight people have never been discriminated against. Also I think as someone with a celebrity status it also helps other people who have had trouble coming out.
#25
Of course they should be praised. Being who you really are can be hard sometimes. Keep in mind that sodomy laws were only abolished in the US in 2003.

Also, it's not like gays are not discriminated against anymore. Heard about the bill they want to pass in Kansas? and theres a big chance it will. Basically it will segregate gay people from "Normal people". You will be able to be thrown out of resturants, doctors can deny you treatment, Police officer's deny you help, and so on.

So **** yea. Rightwingers always whine about a "Gay agenda" well, **** it, let's push a gay agenda, since obviously they seem to be pushing an anti-gay agenda.

Gays, transsexuals, Atheists and Muslims still have a pretty tough time in the US. Help'em out whenever you get the chance. It can hardly hurt.
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#27
She was in S2 of trailer park boys, huh.

She was also in a David Cage game.

When image is at stake idk what coming out will do to it, but her 'people' bitched about that rendered and leaked 3D model.
#29
straight people aren't harassed/discriminated heavily against, the LGBT community are. Being seen as anything but straight is seen as a negative thing by society, and is met with a lot of hostility
#30
It's just gays are gonna be made fun of, judged and despised by a large portion of the population for at least another couple of decades. Until it's truly normal and no-one cares about 2 men going hand in hand and go on a date wherever they like without getting looks, stunts like these and gay pride parades and so on is necessary. Until it's totally accepted - and while you and me might be fine with it - the world isn't near there yet
#31
We don't live in a world where gay people are fully accepted. So when a high profile person comes out its good to give a positive reaction.

Then maybe at some point in the (probably very distant ) future, there'll come a point where athletes/actors/whatever coming out as gay isn't news at all.
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straight people aren't harassed/discriminated heavily against, the LGBT community are. Being seen as anything but straight is seen as a negative thing by society, and is met with a lot of hostility


Pretty much what I came here to say.

If the whole world accepted that some people are gay and didn't give a shit, then no this wouldn't be a big deal at all but because a lot of people are still anti-gay and think that something that we have no control over is wrong, its a lot harder to admit as they feel like they will be abused. Thats why people admire what she did. Not only did she admit it publicly but it was in front of a big crowd and you can tell she was nervous as anything as she was shaking and almost crying in some parts.

These people have a specific community because there are a fair number of straight people who are hostile towards them and with being with like-minded people, they can feel safer and not worried that people will look down on them for their orientation.

In a way, I agree with OP in that it shouldn't be a big deal. It really is sad that in this day and age, we still can't completely accept that some people are born with same sex attraction. No different to the way that some people are born with blonde hair, brown hair, big eyes, small eyes. But due to the hostility they get, admiting they are part of this group of people is a big step for them, especially as someone as high profile as Ellen Page.
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#33
There's also how her speech had considerably greater relevance to the event at hand due to her homosexuality and coming out as such. A lot of oppressed minorities are very ambivalent towards these sorts of events because it's often held by the oppressors speaking on their behalf; saying what they've been saying for years,. So her coming out shows greater personal experience and subsequent understanding and encourages other proponents of gay rights who may be closeted to do similar things.
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#34
I'm gutted that she's gay.

I thought she was a qtp2t

Edit: I mean, she still is a qt 3.14, I just have no chance at all now.

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#35
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It is an appropriate comparison though, if someone from the Republic of Ireland goes up to the north they are assumed as Catholic, and even if you are an atheist you are still seen as a Catholic because of where you come from.

I was raised a catholic. I'm about as catholic as a cow.
By your logic everybody from San Francisco is assumed to be a fag.
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#36
I don't think we should, but we live in a society that celebrates and rewards "participation" in sports so I guess it's not unreasonable to praise other shit that doesn't matter too.
#37
I agree with op, so what if you're gay?
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if i started a parade celebrating that i have a **** n balls, i'd get v&

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I agree with op, so what if you're gay?
if i started a straight pride parade, i'd get v&
if i started a white pride parade, i'd get v&
if i started a parade celebrating that i have a **** n balls, i'd get v&

YOU'RE GAY, NOBODY CARES, SIT THE **** DOWN.

If that were true your statement would be true. However just because you claim not to care does not mean others do not.
There are nations where homosexuality is a crime punishable by death. And they actively execute gays.
There are nations where homosexuality is a crime punishable by imprisonment. And the actively imprison gays.
There are nations where speaking out in support of the lgbt community is punishable by imprisonment. And those people are actively imprisoned.
There are peoples in all nations that believe homosexuality is a sin and actively discriminate against them. Openly and loudly.

So persons that have celebrity status that openly proclaim they are gay is a big deal.
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#39
Ellen Page....gay?




Now it's going to be even harder to marry her.
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