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#1
Theres a great Will Smith quote that i love that says:
"I've always considered myself to be just average talent and what I have is a ridiculous insane obsessiveness for practice and preparation."


Do you know, from interviews or other sources, about musicians (not only guitarists) that claimed they had little or no talent, and attributed thier success to hard work instead of talent?


NOTE: philosophical debates about whatever the drive to hard work is a talent by itself will just take this thread off topic.
#2
I have no intention to find out. but Kurt Cobain was an average guy. it's just Nirvana as a whole that was good.
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#3
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but he didn't really succeed now did he
It's over simplified, So what!

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Dude his songs were legit!
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about musicians (not only guitarists) that claimed.



Wait, there are other types of musicians?
#7
98% of popular and not-so popular musicians today have talent.
Some just get slapped on with a shitty contract when they are young and get used as a punching ball for society by greedy people who get a lot of money out of the deal.

but there's as lot more talented people out there.. most of them just lack the dedication.
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#8
In reference to the title, every band from the Britpop wave, especially the smiths.
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I have no intention to find out. but Kurt Cobain was an average guy. it's just Nirvana as a whole that was good.


He wrote some awesome songs that spoke to a whole generation of people. He was that band from songwriter to frontman.
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Yeah Kanye West has no talent whatsoever


None. Zero.


Ignore the lyrics and listening to the way he produces his songs, especially his first two albums. THAT"S how he got to where he is today.
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#18
Kurt Cobain is the first name that comes to mind and Kanye. A lot of the cookie cutter bubblegum pop stars too although I'm not sure if that's because of a lack of talent of because the record companies just force them to put that stuff out.
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In reference to the title, every band from the Britpop wave, especially the smiths.

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#21
Bieber. Lorde. Gaga.

Oh, wait. It wasn't hard work -- it was a little something called "marketing".
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#24
I think most of the bands that were big influences in terms of genres were "clever" and had great ideas rather than being excellent musicians.

Smiths, Babyshambles, Stone Roses, Joy Division etc etc were decent msicians but they excelled in their ideas and concepts brought to music more so.

Same with Velvet Underground, Bob Dylan, Neil Young etc.

Same could be said with The Clash, Oasis, Stones etc.
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Anyway, I think JohnnyGenzale has a point.
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Probably the Gallagher brothers, Dave Mustaine, and John Lennon.

Oh and Kanye West

I have to disagree with Dave Mustaine here...being a douche does not equate to lack of talent.
#29
Slash often talks about how he isn't particularly talented, he just works hard.
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#30
Will.I.Am

The guy admittedly can't sing, but he's been successful and had plenty of top 10 chart songs as well as success in other areas. Then again he's created music that sells so I guess you'd have to say he has talent.

That Will Smith quote was more about natural talent though. He said some people are naturals at their craft, where as people like him had to work at it for ages to succeed. He's developed his talent.
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#31
All of your favorite bands
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I have to disagree with Dave Mustaine here...being a douche does not equate to lack of talent.


But you agree with John Lennon? Noel Gallagher wrote some of the most iconic songs of the 90's. Him and Lennon both wrote songs that spoke to millions and millions of people on a deeply personal level (especially John Lennon) through carefully crafted songs and thoughtful lyrics. They weren't/aren't writing throwaway songs, they influenced hundreds of acts. If you're talking about guitar skills then okay, they were never Jason Becker, but if you, or anyone else suggests that if you write songs that speak to so many people, generation after generation over decades in such a way isn't a talent, what is?
#33
Right so off the top of my head there is

-creative talent
--experimental stylecreativity
--popular/catchy style creativity

-technical talent
--technical proficiency a la weedily woo
--technical proficiency a la excellent rhythm
-TP a la stamina etc

-auditory talent eg pitch differentiation, understanding and/or feel of melody, harmony, progression etc

-motivation
--to write music for self
--to write music for others
--to write music to bone that one chick you dig

-lyrical ability if applicable

-a hook or aesthetic
--stupid suits or masks
--a genre blend
--hot as ****
--political shit about how horrible the world is

other shit I can't think of because stupid


Now it's really relative to what angles you view it from. Dylan Carlson isn't technically proficient in terms of complexity but his hold on rhythm and melody etc is built like a tank. Likewise he writes some incredibly simple, repetitive music but from the standpoint of that area of music and experimentation he's shit hot. From the perspective of writing for others/bone dat girl and accessibility he's a fish out of water.

Slash is technically proficient as a guitarist and follows a catchier more popular path with a lot of homogenization, and writes music for both, I imagine. But he's really damn good about it, and both himself and Dylan are highly motivated to keep up generally.

U2 is another example. So I'm told their roadies know their songs better than they do. Or how Chris Arp is a technical wizard equal to Paul Gilbert but he writes for himself, is inaccessible, has highly developed theory and ear for rhythm and melody, and has lower stamina. In mathcore he's kind of the figurehead guitarist. Outside of that general area of music he's an ear rapist. So when you review or judge a pop-punk album it's not really fair or logical to only place it next to Bach or Merzbow.

So unless it is something like One Direction/your typical boy band where the balance is tipped too far and the "levels" of different abilities are generally low it's not as simple as "no talent" because you'll have one group shitting on the noisy people and one group shitting on the generic pop shite.
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#34
Miley Cyrus. Unless you count being a ho as a talent. Then yeah Miley Cyrus.
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#35
Ringo. He wasn't even the best drummer in the band.
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#36
Milli Vanilli.

Someone else wrote the song. A different set performed them.

They just were just two models that fit the image the Record Company was looking for and they hired them to lipsync to other peoples stuff.

Here, in the likely event a lot of your are too young to remember:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milli_Vanilli

See the "Media Backlash" for specifics.
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#37
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Ringo. He wasn't even the best drummer in the band.


Where have I heard that before?
#38
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Where have I heard that before?

From a direct quote from John Lennon when asked if Ringo was the best drummer in the world.
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#39
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From a direct quote from John Lennon when asked if Ringo was the best drummer in the world.


I was joking. It's just an overused quote.
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