#1
So here's an idea I've had and I'm wondering if it's plausible.

I use iRig and AmpliTube or an Apogee Jam and Garage Band or something similar to those on my iPhone at home to record some backing tracks then take it to an Open Mic, plug it into the house PA and jam over it.

Can it be done? Do you think setting it up would be more of a hassle than lugging all my usual gear around (see signature)? Just how bad will my tone be?
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#3
Nah, I don't need to worry about that. I always turn my phone off when I pl-

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Truth be told, that'd be hilarious. I almost hope that happens.
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#4
The audience may not notice the sound quality if in a bar setting where they are busy doing something else. We once played at our office party with no real instruments, but just tablets and smartphones running guitar, keyboard, and drums emulators. It would be good if the audience can see that you are connected to your iPhone.
#5
id say give it a shot. the non-need to carry around loads of equipment to set up a gig is certainly worth the thought. but you have to take into consideration that you will be standing and walking around during the gig. if your phones not going to be in your pocket, you can expect the phone to be either falling to a painful death or being stepped on. If you gig with the phone in your pocket, then you have to watch out for the flimsy aux cable to not be stepped on. it should be really easy to set it up.

as for tone, I wouldnt worry much about it other than the fact that you have no way to switch tone mid song. gear emulation for phones is getting better surprisingly fast. I personally dont like Amplitube for iphone, but it sounds decent enough.
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#6
Oh they definitely will. The bar I'm thinking of has a visible stage and on Open Mic Nights it's mostly musicians who come to play and hear each other. The regulars will know something's up when I show up with my SG but no amp or effects. Should be fun.
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#8
What you really need is a new amp, for three reasons.
1. that method would work but it's a bit unpractical and a bit uncool and a bit bad sounding
2. you may want an amp you can carry around
3. your big sounds plain bad, and if you also have the MG cab your cab sounds plain bad too

So, yeah, try that indeed, it would work and it'll probably be better than your actual big amp anyway, and you may even like the thing more than actual amps just for the sake of conveniency.
Or you could just use the class 5, I don't see how that's unpractical.
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"Hang on people, I have to interrupt this song. Gotta take this call."

Makes people using a phone in a movie theater look positively polite.
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#10
Use an iPad or iPad mini instead. Much safer that way.

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#11
If it's not a big gig but a bar gig it would actually be awesome.

I'm quite a seasoned musician, but if I listened to someone in a bar, and suddenly they get called on their "amp" It would make my night, and probably talk drunkly to friends how awesome it is to be able to play guitar on phone.

For everything else ..meh

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#12
You kidding me? I haven't touched my mg stack in ages. Thing's collecting dust in my parents' basement. I always bring the class 5.

I just don't want to any more.

I live close enough to the bar where walking to it is no prob, provided I'm unencumbered. My arms would fall off if I went with my guitar, amp and pedals. I have to drive it all there, which means I can't get drunk after I play.

If I can pull this shit off, all my problems are solved! Strap my axe in a gig bag to my back, phone in my pocket, go for a stroll or a stumble and I'm set! Obviously if I'm playing a set with a band I'd get my gear, but for a solo 3 or 4 song Open Mic? The decision is easy.

As for it ringing while playing, I doubt it'll happen as I hate talking on the phone so most peeps of mine know not to call at all. Texts are a different story. Regardless, most people I communicate with are at this Open Mic anyways so the list of potential incoming messages is a short lit indeed.
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#13
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You kidding me? I haven't touched my mg stack in ages. Thing's collecting dust in my parents' basement. I always bring the class 5.

I just don't want to any more.

I live close enough to the bar where walking to it is no prob, provided I'm unencumbered. My arms would fall off if I went with my guitar, amp and pedals. I have to drive it all there, which means I can't get drunk after I play.

If I can pull this shit off, all my problems are solved! Strap my axe in a gig bag to my back, phone in my pocket, go for a stroll or a stumble and I'm set! Obviously if I'm playing a set with a band I'd get my gear, but for a solo 3 or 4 song Open Mic? The decision is easy.

As for it ringing while playing, I doubt it'll happen as I hate talking on the phone so most peeps of mine know not to call at all. Texts are a different story. Regardless, most people I communicate with are at this Open Mic anyways so the list of potential incoming messages is a short lit indeed.


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Nah, I don't need to worry about that. I always turn my phone off when I pl-

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Truth be told, that'd be hilarious. I almost hope that happens.

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#15
so most of the people who might call or text are going to be there........and you don't think one of them will **** with you?
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#16
You can always stick the phone into airplane mode then there's no danger of calls / messages interrupting you.
#17
You can get a iPOD as well, it will do the same thing, I think IK also had a pedal that can do some switching, like this one:
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/irigblueboard/

I'd suggest getting a processor instead and calling it a day. Second hand Boss GT-6, 8 or 10 would be perfect, some of the older Vox or Korg would also do well. You can also probably get a new Vox Tonelab ST under $200. The SE is a little bit more $ used. I'd prefer to use that than a phone with an app as it is easier to work with but I think the phone thing is doable with one of these switchers above.
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so most of the people who might call or text are going to be there........and you don't think one of them will **** with you?

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so most of the people who might call or text are going to be there........and you don't think one of them will **** with you?


If they do, then its not embarrassing. Annoying? Maybe a little, but I'm not the type to hold a grudge. It'd be embarrassing if someone called me in earnest and not with the intent of messing with me.

But if it was someone deliberately messing with me, I could maybe work it into the show. Its an Open Mic where comedy acts are welcome. I'm fairly good at improv and can pretty easily roll with the punches, so why not make a gag out of it? Bring a little theater to the stage? I wouldn't go out of my way for it, I'm a musician not an actor, but if its entertaining then I don't see the harm in it.

Don't get me wrong, I do take my live playing very seriously. I make sure my gear is in top working conditions before, during, and after my set. I make sure that I am in top working conditions before, during, and after my set. My gear is an extension of myself and its important to have a sound mind, body and soul to maintain a perfect harmony.

Part of that harmony though is being able to laugh at yourself.

Knowing that I've played this stage a thousand times before, knowing that I've used superior equipment and tonal quality, knowing that all my friends, people who's thoughts and opinions I love and cherish, are in attendance, knowing that some of them are assholes, and knowing that there is always an element of the unknown in performing live, that something can always go wrong, and that I'm adding just one more thing to that list, I'm still going to try it.

It'll either work, maybe even better than I expected, in which case I've worried for nothing. Or it doesnt work and because I've worried about my appearance, I make a fool of myself. Or it doesn't work but because I didn't worry about saving face, I laugh, the crowd laughs and I go back to hauling gear and not drinking. Regardless of the outcome, I learn something new and I come away with a story to tell.

And on a practical note, there's this:

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You can always stick the phone into airplane mode then there's no danger of calls / messages interrupting you.


Thank you.

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Alright, now tha we've established that this is possible, lets talk gear. What's the best way to make it happen? IS the iRig and AmpliTube the best option, or would I have more sonic fidelity and product reliability with say an Apogee Jam or Line 6 Sonic Port interfaces or Garage Band or Core Audio apps or something other than those? Budget wise I'd prefer to do it on the cheap, but if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this right and have no problems paying up for quality.

Thanks a lot guys.
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#20
Sorry for the necro bump but this came up in my search for irig live and seemed like exactly like I was going to ask about.

So... Here we are a year later. Any thoughts?

I'm not a gear head at all, really, but I am a bit of a tech nerd. I like easy plug and play - but only if it sounds good. I'm really excited about the possibility of scaling down my live rig down to my guitars, an iPad, and a small box of cables and gadgets, as opposed to lugging a 50 pound combo amp and a big Rubbermaid tub full of a zIllion cables and my RP1000.

I'm thinking that, for best results, going into a good quality DI (I have a Radial J48) before going to the PA would be a good idea.

Heck - if it works out, I could sell the amp and RP1000 to reimburse myself for an irig HD and the blueboard, and still have money left over for another guitar on the used market. :-)

But I do want it to be basically idiot-proof and to sound good.

Any thoughts/cautions/encouragement?

Thanks!
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#21
Let's get down to it at the end of 2015: iPhones are on par with ipads in terms of tech specs. iPads have been used quite a bit live. Probably iphones, too, but the screen size limits some fuller app usage. Getting texted or called is a no -issue if you use do not disturb and airplane modes, which are just a swipe and tap away.

As for apps, bias fx. Truly great sounding. I had amplitube and it sucked. FX is where it's at. One warning is to use the included noise gate on mute with all knobs on 5/10 at the beginning of your effects chain; otherwise noise will be an issue.

Make sure you do have a connector that can supply power to the iphone while jamming. My irig hd does not support simultaneous charging.

Also, forget garageband on ios. The modeling is laughable.
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#22
This is definitely doable if you find amp sims you like. ipad latency is pretty good so it works well in a live setting and the battery lasts all night easily. A decent interface, mount the ipad on your mic stand within easy reach and you could punch in and out of different presets quickly. Connect it directly to the PA and get a monitor mix for you or bring a frfr powered wedge as your own amp. I'm not sure it would be any better than using a Pod or Tonelab but it would certainly work.
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#23
It's doable, but get a digital interface that plugs into the charging slot. The cheap iRig style interfaces that connect through the headphone/mic jack tend to pick up a lot of interference in the form of hum, hiss, and static. JamUp is designed for live use and Positive Grid sells a foot controller to use with it.
#24
If youre going to be using an iPad, isn't there a DigiTech multi fx that works directly with one?

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If youre going to be using an iPad, isn't there a DigiTech multi fx that works directly with one?


IIRC those units were awful and got discontinued and blown out.
#26
You guys are SO behind the times.

This is Craig Chaquico (Starship, etc.) some years ago at Carvin's 60th Anniversary party playing a CC signature through a Pod XT with an iPod loaded with backing tracks. The fooker sounded like the entire band through the PA:



I have 16-track sequencers on both of my Korg keyboards, and I can output the result as an MP3.
I can send a *different* MP3 to each band member with only their track eliminated on the left channel and only their track on the right channel. They can shift back and forth to hear what they need to play and or play along with the track to hear what they'll sound like with the entire band.

And if you're worried about your $600 phone ringing in the middle of a performance, buy one of these:



For $49 and the size of a postage stamp, it'll hold a couple of gigs worth of backing tracks and play them back with the same fidelity as your phone.
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#27
You can in essence do iPad, iPod or iPhone setup with Amplitube and an interface from the likes of IK:
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/irigblueboard/
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/irigpro/

But in essence, you'll be paying close if not more than a floor multifx.
Maybe a floor multifx and powered monitor will make more sense, but if want to go that route, it is doable.
You can do it off of iPod for around $200, interface say another $100 and then whatever you decide to spend on miudi controller to switch patches if needed.
#28
Thanks for the replies so far.

I have the floor multi FX - the RP1000. I'm happy with it. It just loses something when you plug direct into the PA vs plugging into an actual amp. I'm sure it has to do with how I have my presets set up. I could tweak them of course.

The irig HD is a much better reviewed product than the first or even second edition iRigs.

I have an iPad mini.

So the only new purchase would the be iRig HD, whatever apps I'd be using (JamUp, Bias, whatever) and the floor controller. About $200 - maybe a little more once I factor in a clamp for attaching the iPad to the mic stand.

(Just thought.... MIDI-based floor controller to control wah and volume parameters - not sure how that fits in yet)

The RP1000 seems to be a love it/hate it thing. I see it maligned and praised here. Funny thing is, as much as I like it, I'm not in love with it. But it is three year old modelling technology. I'm curious as to how the sound on that would compare to the newer updates of the amp sims available for iOS.

I'm not so sure I'm behind the times. I used a V-amp live for a while and went back to a real amp. (Dodgy power at a gig once left it re-booting a few times during my set, which wouldn't be an issue with an iPad...). I think the technology for modelling live using iOS apps is just now starting to come into its own. Even two years ago, with the original incarnations of the likes of iRig, they were noisy and subject to interference. For home practice, that might be fine, but for gigging, would be a deal-breaker.

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#30
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You guys are SO behind the times.

This is Craig Chaquico (Starship, etc.) some years ago at Carvin's 60th Anniversary party playing a CC signature through a Pod XT with an iPod loaded with backing tracks. The fooker sounded like the entire band through the PA:



I have 16-track sequencers on both of my Korg keyboards, and I can output the result as an MP3.
I can send a *different* MP3 to each band member with only their track eliminated on the left channel and only their track on the right channel. They can shift back and forth to hear what they need to play and or play along with the track to hear what they'll sound like with the entire band.

And if you're worried about your $600 phone ringing in the middle of a performance, buy one of these:



For $49 and the size of a postage stamp, it'll hold a couple of gigs worth of backing tracks and play them back with the same fidelity as your phone.


Yeah, but how many here have the talent and resources of Craig Chaquico to be able to pull it off?
#31
Whether it's doable or not would probably depend more on the mixing board and whether you have the appropriate conversion cables to allow you to plug into it.

Additionally your guitar presets are likely to sound different going through a FRFR speaker system on a PA than what they sound like in a recording environment with headsets. In all likelihood they'll sound boomy on the bottom end and a bit harsh on the top end. Probably similar to what you experienced going direct into a PA with your MultiFX board. It's just the nature of FRFR speakers that have a much broader frequency response than would a guitar cabinet. Some of that might be mitigated through your cabinet emulations, but very often it's not. There's no way to know for sure without connecting it up and hearing it.
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#32
It would certainly get you noticed as far as novelty value is concerned.

If your dedicated effect pedal fails to give the sound you want I'm surprised your phone manages to do the job. I periodically tried iRig, or what ever it was called, and found the latency excruciating. If you are asking it to run a music player as well...

I always like to have a back up personally; where would that be if you had a catastrophic phone failure? You couldn't even phone home to ask them to drop off an amp.

I also have an aversion to backing tracks. If you go to see live music you want live music not a disco. I'm happy with someone using a looper, assuming they lay the loops in front of you. Looping is a skill and includes the jeopardy of getting it wrong, as per playing live - more so as the mistake keeps looping round to haunt you.

I think using backing tracks is likely to put you the wrong side of favour with the audience before you start. And who wants to watch bedroom noodling, no matter how good?
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#33
Sure, on a technical level, it works. People do it all the time in their bedrooms and get sound.

I'm basically just wondering if this has gone past the "great idea in theory" stage to actually being ready for the stage. ie - sounds good, reliable, etc. I've been gigging for over 25 years - even if most of it has been just in local cover bands.

Setting the patches up would be done through studio monitors instead of through the guitar amp, as the "target" would not be the guitar amp like it was/is with the RP1000. If it sounds good through studio monitors, it should sound good through FOH mains.

Thanks!
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#34
First Impressions - Got the iRig HD and the full complement package of the JamUp suite - all the amps and effects, etc. I haven't gotten BIAS yet and am really not sure I would need it or want it, given that I'm not the kind of player who would open up and muck with a real amp. "If you can't dial in the sound you're looking for, then you're not using the right amp!"

Downloaded some presets from their Tone Cloud and mucked around with a few settings and stuff. Overall, I'm really very impressed. I haven't had a chance to really "give 'er" just yet, but I'm thinking that sound-wise, this could totally work for a live application. Though I haven't played anything yet side-by-side against the real amp, I'm thinking that it is every bit as good as - or even better - than my current setup.

Next step - looking into the Bluetooth controller and an expression pedal that will work with it.

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