#1
Okay, american students/people, why is college board changing the SAT?

The current SAT test is a good indicator of underlying ability, than knowledge tests. And colleges want students who do well on them, particularly if the students that come from disadvantaged backgrounds. It's actually one of the best ways to ensure colleges aren't simply full of students who have had the best teachers.

However, this new test focuses more on what students are learning in school. This means that one kid who never comes to school, never does his work, barely passes tests, but always get's 2000+ scores WILL NOT get that advantage. So now students need high gpa's and high SAT's to get into college?

It sounds like a good plan, but why ditch the "fancy" words? Why ditch "hard" essay? The essay, at least imo, makes or breaks an applicant. If you can't write well, why do yo want to go to an ivy league school? Sure, we don't another need IQ score to be the face of an applicant, but do we really need to "dumb" it down like the ACT?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/06/education/major-changes-in-sat-announced-by-college-board.html?_r=0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaEddkNMcyU

discuss, nerds.
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#2
Yeah, I don't understand why they're doing this. It's essentially lowering the skill gap. If I'm a college admissions guy, I'd prefer a more difficult test to really know who the smart cookies are out there.
#4
"The essay, at least imo, makes or breaks an applicant"



You could've just said "I don't know what I'm talking about" and spared us the trouble of interpretation.
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"The essay, at least imo, makes or breaks an applicant"



You could've just said "I don't know what I'm talking about" and spared us the trouble of interpretation.


BUT, BUT, BUT, IM RIGHT! .... (does Stanford want a 2400 score with a 2 essay?)
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#7
SAT essays are the gayest essays possible. I believe mine basically was: is it possible to be too enthusiastic?

Shit's like those awful questions they ask at beauty pageants. Anyone who knows anything will quickly realize those essays don't mean SHIT.
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SAT essays are the gayest essays possible. I believe mine basically was: is it possible to be too enthusiastic?

Shit's like those awful questions they ask at beauty pageants. Anyone who knows anything will quickly realize those essays don't mean SHIT.


It's not about how bad the topic is, or how "gay" it is. The point here is that a well written essay goes a LONG way in indicating how well they can use the English language, and how creative and intelligent they are beyond that score (or just how well they can bullshit one). Without the essay there is no way to judge how well they can write under pressure, which is a skill you need to have in college, especially with a "gay" topic.
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#9
The essay hasn't even been around that long. When I took the SAT when I was 12 there wasn't an essay section.
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It's not about how bad the topic is, or how "gay" it is. The point here is that a well written essay goes a LONG way in indicating how well they can use the English language, and how creative and intelligent they are beyond that score (or just how well they can bullshit one). Without the essay there is no way to judge how well they can write under pressure, which is a skill you need to have in college, especially with a "gay" topic.


Uh, no it isn't. I could count the number of in-class essays I've had to write on a random, stupid topic that's irrelevant to any interesting body of knowledge I have access to on one hand. Actually, I could count it on no hands because I haven't had to do it once. And I'm in my final semester of college. Friends of mine had to take expository writing, where they had to write essays on stupid topics, but they didn't have to do it spontaneously, without knowing the topic in advance, and they had TONS of time to revise it.

And all the in-class essays I've had were tests that had small essays attached. But those were relevant to the topic, almost always given to the class in advance, and simply demonstrated an apt understanding of the subject material.

Besides, writing gay essays doesn't display intelligence, and college doesn't care about your creativity unless you're an art student.
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It's not about how bad the topic is, or how "gay" it is. The point here is that a well written essay goes a LONG way in indicating how well they can use the English language, and how creative and intelligent they are beyond that score (or just how well they can bullshit one). Without the essay there is no way to judge how well they can write under pressure, which is a skill you need to have in college, especially with a "gay" topic.



This. In my country we get only tests similar to Sat subject tests. To enter any sort of university you must be ok with natural sciences, language maths and social sciences. Thats understanable since basic knowledge is required at that test.

2nd wave of test is dependant on what you wanna study. Somebody who wanna get into law school must get geometry, maths, geography and literature. And seriously wide knowledge required. Most of them is memorise this shit else you are not entering to law school stuff. Things like who wrote the that book at 1430. Definetly not a good way of testing people.

I would be much much more happy if I were given the chance to write and essay.
#12
You should have gotten to your SAT earlier, DJ. Then you would have known about the changes. Hope you brought your number 4 pencil. Remember: it's not just a test.
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The essay hasn't even been around that long. When I took the SAT when I was 12 there wasn't an essay section.


I don't remember it when I took it at 12 either. Then again, that was a long time ago and I can't really remember what I had for dinner last night.
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SATs sound like a nightmare. US college does too - over on this side of the pond, we just study one or maybe two subjects at uni. The only admissions test are relevant to the subject the person wants to study [e.g. STEP for maths at Cambridge, History Aptitude Test for history at Oxford, Biomedical Admissions Test for medicine etc]. Also, you have to get offers from uni and get the A level grades to go there.

Thank goodness we don't have the SAT over here!
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#16
I remember having like 25 mins for the essay, and my prompt was some Frederick Douglass quote that basically said "There is no progress without struggle" do you agree?

And I was just flabbergasted because both of those words are extremely subjective. Like, I could walk to the kitchen and grab a soda can. Is that a struggle, is that even progress?

Got a 6. Not even mad because my state's colleges rarely care about the writing portion.
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over on this side of the pond, we just study one or maybe two subjects at uni.

?? that's how it works here too.

also, the sat should just be abolished since its basically more of an indicator of how awake you are when taking the test rather than how smart the person is. even some major universities aren't really looking at it or at least not giving it such a big weight.
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I remember we had to write out an agreement in cursive and it was literally one sentence, but took the ****ing longest out of any segment in the test.
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#21
Aren't a lot of colleges turning away from evaluating the SATs highly? When I applied to different colleges (I looked at quite a few in the northeast a few years back) there were one or two that said SAT scores were important. Almost every other school used them as a deciding factor if you were on the fence about getting in. A lot of my friends had the same experience with stuff like that as well. I have no idea what schools outside the northeast do, but at least around there they seem to be less important than you might think.

Besides, who cares? Looking up sample SAT essay questions made it look like the SATs had a deal with Hollywood for helping them create Seth Rogen movie plots. Some were along the lines of:
"reflect on and explain the following quote: The price of greatness is responsibility?" - The Green Hornet.

"If there is no struggle, there is no progress. This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle." - This Is the End

"There's no success like failure." - Knocked Up

This even works for the questions:
"Are people who do not follow society’s traditional paths to advancement more likely to be successful than those who do?" Zack and Miri make a Porno, Pineapple Express

"Should people make more decisions on their own and rely less on the advice of experts?" 50/50
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I don't remember it when I took it at 12 either. Then again, that was a long time ago and I can't really remember what I had for dinner last night.

I'm pretty sure my presence unnerved the high school seniors taking it. Hehehe.