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#2
I worked with guy who had a masters in art history. We worked at a fruit packing house. He was in his 70s. That is the life you have to look forward to.
#4
Quote by MakinLattes
I worked with guy who had a masters in art history. We worked at a fruit packing house. He was in his 70s. That is the life you have to look forward to.


i don't know why i feel so dry
#5
Going to school for Art is like going to school for Bart.

Learning about Bart Simpsons historic past and his lifes achievements.
Most of the important things


in the world have been accomplished


by people who have kept on


trying when there seemed to be no hope at all
#6
I dont mean to sink your titanic. but thats sorta of like, going to harvard to study liberal arts. everyone is just going to lol at you. while you think your Mr.ole big country over there with his fancy piece of paper. IMO
#8
Can I get fries with my big mac?


Better let you get some practice.......
Come back if you want to
And remember who you are
‘Cause there's nothing here for you my dear
And everything must pass
#9
Take up art as a hobby, try and get good at it by training urself or online courses. take up a study where your future is guaranteed.
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#10
Quote by BjarnedeGraaf
Take up art as a hobby, try and get good at it by training urself or online courses. take up a study where your future is guaranteed.


This guy know what he's on about.......
Come back if you want to
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#11
Quote by i_lovemetallica
This guy know what he's on about.......


thanks!, that's what I would do if I had any talent for art anyway.

take it up as a hobby, get better through courses, self teaching and training sessions, while taking a study which I wouldn't find annoying, but does give you a steady future, maybe try and make a living out of the art thing, and if it doesn't work out, have that steady future to fall back on, and revert art back to being a hobby.
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#12
Well i'll be the one to say studying art is great. Get to do whatever you want and if you are good get paid to do it. During uni I learnt a hell of a lot, and now get to travel around the world talking with brilliant people and pursuing whatever interests me each day.

And there is definitely a big difference between going into a career in something else for a job whilst pursuing your art in free time and going to art school. You'll never get that good at art and you'll spend your life doing something you didn't really want to do.

Why not go to art school and do some chemistry in your free time? It's a stupid argument.
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#14
Quote by Ikey
Well i'll be the one to say studying art is great. Get to do whatever you want and if you are good get paid to do it. During uni I learnt a hell of a lot, and now get to travel around the world talking with brilliant people and pursuing whatever interests me each day.

And there is definitely a big difference between going into a career in something else for a job whilst pursuing your art in free time and going to art school. You'll never get that good at art and you'll spend your life doing something you didn't really want to do.

Why not go to art school and do some chemistry in your free time? It's a stupid argument.


So you are the exception of the lot, and without knowing the guy suggests he follows in your footsteps just because you got lucky? art is the same as the music industry in that sense. how many bands or artists from music school are trying to "make it" with tours they have had to waste vacation time on, with money they pay themselves, while they're never "making it". the chance you "make it" in the art world is just as small, and although it worked out for you, giving him that (false) hope isn't justified in any way in my opinion.

I also disagree with your statement about art school. if you are creative enough and good enough, you can get just as good as an art student. Maybe not as fast, but you can get there.

Almost all great historic artists like Da vinci, Rembrandt and more, did not go to an "art school". they learned as apprentices or taught themselfs.

Art can't be teached, art comes from talent and straight from the heart (#gayyyyy)

In my opinion, art school can help you develop your own style, and learn you techniques faster, as well as giving you a good insight on the history, but that's about it.

Teachers "grading" your art projects? you can't give art a grade. I'll even go as far as say that if nobody ever knew about the painting "the scream", and I painted it for an art class, 1 teacher would give me an F for painting a weird alien, and another teacher would give me a B, because no student could paint anything as "perfect" as the scream really is.
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#15
Quote by chaoticfables
Higher education equals job training facility. Who knew.

Not only that, but vocational job training apparently.

If you're not learning a specific vocational skill, it's pointless it seems.
#16
Quote by BjarnedeGraaf
So you are the exception of the lot, and without knowing the guy suggests he follows in your footsteps just because you got lucky? art is the same as the music industry in that sense. how many bands or artists from music school are trying to "make it" with tours they have had to waste vacation time on, with money they pay themselves, while they're never "making it". the chance you "make it" in the art world is just as small, and although it worked out for you, giving him that (false) hope isn't justified in any way in my opinion.

I also disagree with your statement about art school. if you are creative enough and good enough, you can get just as good as an art student. Maybe not as fast, but you can get there.

Almost all great historic artists like Da vinci, Rembrandt and more, did not go to an "art school". they learned as apprentices or taught themselfs.

Art can't be teached, art comes from talent and straight from the heart (#gayyyyy)

In my opinion, art school can help you develop your own style, and learn you techniques faster, as well as giving you a good insight on the history, but that's about it.

Teachers "grading" your art projects? you can't give art a grade. I'll even go as far as say that if nobody ever knew about the painting "the scream", and I painted it for an art class, 1 teacher would give me an F for painting a weird alien, and another teacher would give me a B, because no student could paint anything as "perfect" as the scream really is.


What you don't get by yourself is a real critical approach to making work. You don't get the opinions of your contemporaries, and that community. You don't get the tutors or the equipment or specialist workshops.
I guess if someone wants to sit and paint photorealist portraits then they can probably get on with that and some youtube tutorials and be fine. But that isn't what i'd imagine someone expressing an interest in arts education would think they would be doing.

And I would always suggest people do what they will enjoy doing, what makes them happy in life, to be optimistic. It is their life you are talking about and i'd say you shouldn't discourage people and tell them not to do something because of some fear of they might not get a life long career. **** that. People should reach out and go for their dreams and yeah it will be hard work but surely its worth it. I guess its a decision of settling for less and being comfortable or taking a risk on something you love. YOLO


its like when people say "mickey mouse degrees" implying a waste of time. id love to do a mickey mouse degree, im sure its fascinating.
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#17
the picture gives two great reasons which have been so far ignored.
i don't know why i feel so dry
#18
Quote by Ikey
What you don't get by yourself is a real critical approach to making work. You don't get the opinions of your contemporaries, and that community.


So you go to the countless art forums on the internet to get critique on your work. No teachers needed.


Quote by Ikey

I guess if someone wants to sit and paint photo-realistic portraits then they can probably get on with that and some YouTube tutorials and be fine. But that isn't what i'd imagine someone expressing an interest in arts education would think they would be doing.


Not necessarily, I have a friend who wanted to do art school, went in, didn't like it, quit and took it as a hobby instead.
She paints a lot of things with deep meaning behind it, not just copies of nice pictures or portrait painting. but real original stuff. Now I'm not an art specialist or critic, but what she paints is amazing, and without the use of art school.

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And I would always suggest people do what they will enjoy doing, what makes them happy in life, to be optimistic. It is their life you are talking about and i'd say you shouldn't discourage people and tell them not to do something because of some fear of they might not get a life long career. **** that. People should reach out and go for their dreams and yeah it will be hard work but surely its worth it. I guess its a decision of settling for less and being comfortable or taking a risk on something you love. YOLO


Okay I'll give you that one. but that "hard work" can be done in free time as well ;-)
As much as I love art, I don't see it as something you should try and pursue as a carreer. rather as a hobby/back up where you can make some extra money.

Quote by Ikey

its like when people say "mickey mouse degrees" implying a waste of time. id love to do a mickey mouse degree, im sure its fascinating.


That's what art school is to me. and a Micky Mouse degree can also done with online courses, these days there's a lot of sites that offer official accepted courses where you can get all the degrees you want, and do that in your free time after work.
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#19
My best friend is studying art (her major is drawing/mixed media) and it's absolutely nothing like what people expect art degrees to be like. It's more about the ideas behind each piece and their applications and interacting with others while creating your work. It is really not useless at all even if there were no practical applications to what she is doing.
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#20
i do art but it is only sort of art and sort of porn

i don't make money from it but i could if i wanted to

i haven't ever studied art and never would though
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#21
Art school seems pointless, theres no real way to discern between "good" and "bad" art, its just a method of personal expression, so by going there you are just losing your personal expression for that of your teachers, since they got degrees and stuff to prove how fancy their art is, and you end up with a whole class following the same parameters for "good" art.

True artists dont give a shit, they are so much into their art that they are willing to take the chances of that lifestyle (not much money, rejection from your "square" peers (think engineers, lawyers and the like)) and dont need anyone to tell them or grade them wether their art is good or not. Anyone who wants a "safe" ride, shouldnt be doing art, or they should have it as a hobby, not a passion/full time kind of thing.

If you are really into art, you are always gonna be practicing and doing it, you wont need grades or teachers to tell you what to do. I believe the same applies to studying music since its another way of personal expression but thats another discussion. Plus if you dont know a concept or technique, thats what the internets for, expensive educational programs are a scam nowadays, ******ed methods for certification so you can get a job, the "education" element is mostly lost now.
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#22
Quote by guitarxo
My best friend is studying art (her major is drawing/mixed media) and it's absolutely nothing like what people expect art degrees to be like. It's more about the ideas behind each piece and their applications and interacting with others while creating your work. It is really not useless at all even if there were no practical applications to what she is doing.

I've actually studied one semester of art history. While very interesting, I wouldn't really recommend anyone do a career out of it unless they go for that whole no job thing.
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#23
ITT: People with no experience in fine arts education talking about fine arts education.

Quote by Eastwinn
the picture gives two great reasons which have been so far ignored.

Actually I find spite is very often a reason people study fine arts. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't at least part of the reason I'm studying composition. I'm not sure who I'm spiting exactly, maybe just the world.
#24
Quote by jazz_rock_feel
ITT: People with no experience in fine arts education talking about fine arts education.


Actually I find spite is very often a reason people study fine arts. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't at least part of the reason I'm studying composition. I'm not sure who I'm spiting exactly, maybe just the world.

>fine arts
>composition

this thread isnt about you breh, they are talking about some bob ross shit
#25
Quote by BjarnedeGraaf
So you go to the countless art forums on the internet to get critique on your work. No teachers needed.

and yeah do people doing science degrees really need to go to uni haha? hello, just go to one of the countless science forums on the internet. No teachers needed
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Quote by Kensai
I've actually studied one semester of art history. While very interesting, I wouldn't really recommend anyone do a career out of it unless they go for that whole no job thing.

She's on track to being a curator so I think she's fine in that regard. Practical experience is really important for this though, she's had a job in some sort of creative field ever since starting uni. You can't just do art and expect to get an art-related job based on that alone.
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#27
Quote by willT08
and yeah do people doing science degrees really need to go to uni haha? hello, just go to one of the countless science forums on the internet. No teachers needed

You are doing stuff like making bridges and constructing skyscrapers. These are things that have real risk involved if done incompetently and are important for the everyday function of society.

Do people die if the brushstrokes on your clouds aren't up to snuff?
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Quote by Thrashtastic15
You are doing stuff like making bridges and constructing skyscrapers. These are things that have real risk involved if done incompetently and are important for the everyday function of society.

Do people die if the brushstrokes on your clouds aren't up to snuff?

uhm but do they ever truly live if they aren't?

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Quote by willT08
and yeah do people doing science degrees really need to go to uni haha? hello, just go to one of the countless science forums on the internet. No teachers needed


Science =/= logic
Art =/= There is no logic

If I was a science major and screwed up some chemical mixture badly, sure, you can give me an F. I made a mistake.

If I get an assignment and make a painting for it, there's no real critique that can be given that's not related to the taste of the person grading it. There's not much I could've dont wrong other than not painting to the tastes of a teacher.

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Quote by Thrashtastic15
You are doing stuff like making bridges and constructing skyscrapers. These are things that have real risk involved if done incompetently and are important for the everyday function of society.

Do people die if the brushstrokes on your clouds aren't up to snuff?


I guess this would've been a better argument
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#32
Quote by BjarnedeGraaf

If I was a science major and screwed up some chemical mixture badly, sure, you can give me an F. I made a mistake.


Except this is a really bad analogy because that's not how learning is supposed to work
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#33
Quote by BjarnedeGraaf

If I get an assignment and make a painting for it, there's no real critique that can be given that's not related to the taste of the person grading it. There's not much I could've dont wrong other than not painting to the tastes of a teacher.
i can't say i've ever heard of someone being given an assignment that's "do a painting"
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Quote by jazz_rock_feel
ITT: People with no experience in fine arts education talking about fine arts education.

This.
Art, not science, is the backbone of a culture and a people. When people say it isn't worth it they are basically saying they're fine being mindless drones in a vapid, uncreative culture.
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#35
Quote by willT08
i can't say i've ever heard of someone being given an assignment that's "do a painting"


I guess you never went to art school.
Neither have I some friends that are. those kinds of assignments maybe not just "make a painting" but rather "study Da Vinci's technique and create a painting using it", or something along those lines.
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#36
Quote by BjarnedeGraaf
I guess you never went to art school.
Neither have I
lol
some friends that are. those kinds of assignments maybe not just "make a painting" but rather "study Da Vinci's technique and create a painting using it", or something along those lines.

oh right so you're saying there's totally ways to judge that assignment that have nothing to do with taste? well i'm glad we agree
#37
Quote by willT08
lol
oh right so you're saying there's totally ways to judge that assignment that have nothing to do with taste? well i'm glad we agree


Not really, I don't see what's there to judge.

edit: never mind. the technique. Ok we agree
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#38
Quote by BjarnedeGraaf
Not really, I don't see what's there to judge.

Well I think you're being deliberately dense
#39
I don't understand why people think it's dumb to get a liberal arts education or a fine arts degree. In my experience the people studying those fields are a lot more intelligent than those who study mathematics or the hard sciences.
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