#1
Hi, I've only owned 2 amps in the past 5 years, a microcube and a 6505+. I've also got a schecter c1fr with pro alnico 2's and a schecter blackjack avenger with blackouts. I left the 6505 sitting at a buddy's house for a long time and just recently got it back. I've been tinkering around with it and I can't get a decent clean tone out of the 6505 to save my life. All barre chords just sound muddy and undefined. I understand that the amp and guitar (avenger) are pretty much designed for high gain applications so is there nothing I can do to clean it up? I've also got a boss me 70 but that thing doesn't seem to help matters.

Seriously thinking about getting rid of the 6505 and avenger since it seems easier to get a heavy tone out of a clean setup than a clean tone out of a heavy setup!!
#3
If in your head you are looking for a brighter open clean like a Fender or Vox your not going to get it.

Most people I hear that play clean on a 6505 try to jazz it up with a chorus pedal to make it somewhat "exciting" lol

And I agree. I sold my high gain amps last month cause they couldn't do anything else. And stuck with my clean/low gain amps cause they can do what the high gain amps do with a pedal or two.
#4
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If in your head you are looking for a brighter open clean like a Fender or Vox your not going to get it.

Most people I hear that play clean on a 6505 try to jazz it up with a chorus pedal to make it somewhat "exciting" lol

And I agree. I sold my high gain amps last month cause they couldn't do anything else. And stuck with my clean/low gain amps cause they can do what the high gain amps do with a pedal or two.


Exactly what I'm trying to get. Open chords sound like dogshit to me with this thing lol. I'm not terribly attached to this amp but I really like the guitar. I recall it cleaning up pretty nice on the lil microcube.
#5
Sounds like you need a 5150III
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#6
Well, to get good cleans on that amp using a guitar with Blackouts is challenging. (I know, because that's exactly what I use ).

Here's what I've done to get more than decent cleans:

Swap out your v1 preamp tube for something with a lower gain factor. I have used JJ 12at7s, JJ 5751s, and am currently using a JJ ECC803 in that position.

Next, swap out your phase inverter tube for something lower in gain as well -- I actually prefer my JJ 12AT7 there.

My current setup is an ECC 803 in V1, a 5751 in V2, normal JJ 12ax7s in V3-4, and the 12AT7 in V5. (I have the 112 combo version of the 6505 converted into a head, and it only has 5 preamp tubes).

You might be thinking that with all that gain reduction, how can I get the high-gain tone that amp is known for. I can assure you it is absolutely not a problem. In fact, I think my amp sounds A LOT more brutal now that some of the over-the-top gain has been tamed -- because there is a lot more string clarity and it just sounds more "punchy" altogether.

But on topic -- the cleans are INFINITELY better with those tubes. They just give you a lot more headroom and warmth. That said, I only use my neck pickup for cleans, and I usually back off the volume knob on the guitar about 15% as well. That gives even more headroom and increases warmth.

Other than that, my reverb is always on with a slight modulation (chorus), and sometimes my delay is on as well. I use a TC-Electronic Hall of Fame reverb and a Flashback delay. I've never been a fan of dry cleans no matter what the amp -- it always sounds better with some reverb. With all that, I really enjoy my cleans -- and they become even better with non-active pickups -- but that's all I've got.
#7
I have a 6505+, and I could never really get a good clean sound out of it. I run a POD HD through the fx loop and just use one of the clean channels on that.
#8
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#10
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Sounds like you need a 5150III


but...
yeah, that's actually what you sound like.
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#11
May be an oddball advice and you should look into some of the other options presented in addition, but: maybe consider getting a power conditioner if you don't have one already. The power in your house can do some weird things to your amp's sound.
#12
^ most likely not a lot more than a hum.
Actually, either that or nothing in my experience.
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#13
Hehe after looking at a 5150iii it's looking pretty expensive. I only paid about 300 for the 6505+ combo, anything around that price (used is fine) with good cleans and would work well with a boss me70? Would spending money to replace tubes yield a good enough result or would it just get me a little closer to sounding clean but still lacking in the end?
#15
Playing with lower gain tubes is a good idea and will cost a shitload less than another amp.
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#16
WTF are cleans good for. Turn that gain knob to 10.

Seriously though- BROOTZ. forget cleans.

Try a JAN 5751 in the V1 or PI slot. You can try a 12AT7 to lower the gain. Under $25 and you keep the brootz. Win win.

That amp has more than enough gain to easily take the lower gain tubes and not blink.

I had the head version and it loved the JAN5751 in V1.
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