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#1
Silly question I guess, why do COB and Bullet for my Valentine use custom guitars?

Do they do this to stop people getting the exact same model they use?

Thanks.
#2
They use augmented pickup/electronics systems that create a unique sonic signature. The RIAA uses the signature to catch people who pirate albums and bootleg live shows without permission.
#3
They do it because:

1) they can

2) custom guitars will have different specs than mass produced ones; possibly only as customs
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They use augmented pickup/electronics systems that create a unique sonic signature. The RIAA uses the signature to catch people who pirate albums and bootleg live shows without permission.

Woah. Why would someone pirate albums?

I remember showing Laiho my bag full of COB CD's.
#5
They get custom guitars because they can.
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Woah. Why would someone pirate albums?

Because they can.


And because as an audiophile, wanting lots and lots of albums so I can hear lots and lots of different artists would otherwise get very, very expensive.
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#6
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They get custom guitars because they can.

Well, did Dimebag Darrell do it?
#8
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When didn't he do it?

Ah. So it'd be impossible to find a model that Dime actually used?
#9
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Ah. So it'd be impossible to find a model that Dime actually used?
No.

http://www.deanguitars.com/dimebag_seriesUSA.php#usamldimerfh

This is a replica of the guitar he was most famous for playing, but there were several others. The vast majority of Dime sig guitars currently made were designed long after he died though.
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How come it's possible to buy the guitar Dime used but not the guitar Tuck uses (BFMV)?

Is it because Dime's dead?



You're talking about guitars and guitar players that have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

Dime used Deans and Washburns, Matt uses Jackson's and BC Rich's. You cannot buy Matt's Jackson Rhoads anymore because he stopped endorsing Jackson years ago (they're hard to find on ebay too). You can only buy Matt's BC Rich these days.
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#13
No and no.

The guitars he used were custom shop Dean USA guitars, not Korean.

Why are you asking what they used anyway? If you're intending to buy any of those guitars, people are going to see you as a wannabe.
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#14
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No and no.

The guitars he used were custom shop Dean USA guitars, not Korean.

What are the better guitars?

Thanks.
#15
Is it possible to buy the Dean USA guitars in the UK? Probably not.

I'll get the Laiho LTD, I guess.
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Is it possible to buy the Dean USA guitars in the UK? Probably not.


Thomman, but honestly I wouldn't spend money on a Dean, no idea what they're American ones are like though
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#17
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What are the better guitars?

Thanks.



I feel like I'm having a conversation with a child.

I've already linked you to the Dean Dime USA guitars.
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Is it possible to buy the Dean USA guitars in the UK? Probably not.

I'll get the Laiho LTD, I guess.

Why do you want to buy absolutely nothing but sig guitars? They're all very overpriced and they make you look like a Dime/Matt Tuck/Alexi Laiho wannabe.
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I feel like I'm having a conversation with a child.

I've already linked you to the Dean Dime USA guitars.

Why do you want to buy absolutely nothing but sig guitars? They're all very overpriced and they make you look like a wannabe.



This.
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I feel like I'm having a conversation with a child.

I've already linked you to the Dean Dime USA guitars.

Why do you want to buy absolutely nothing but sig guitars? They're all very overpriced and they make you look like a Dime/Matt Tuck/Alexi Laiho wannabe.

To get the tone of the artist.
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To get the tone of the artist.



A guitar with Laiho's name on it is not going to make you sound like him. Unless you have his exact amp, his guitar skills, his recording gear, his mixing engineer, and his band, you're just not going to sound like him.
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#21
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A guitar with Laiho's name on it is not going to make you sound like him.

When I play the "Take it out on me" solo by BFMV - it sounds nothing like the artist.
#22
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To get the tone of the artist.


Does UG have a facepalm emote?

Tone is mainly in the amplifier with magnitudes among magnitudes of possible rack units, effects and other bits of gear I can't afford

And also a good producer, Sound engineer etc
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#23
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When I play the "Take it out on me" solo by BFMV - it sounds nothing like the artist.

and buying a guitar with his name on it is not going to fix that.
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A guitar with Laiho's name on it is not going to make you sound like him. Unless you have his exact amp, his guitar skills, his recording gear, his mixing engineer, and his band, you're just not going to sound like him.

You're right. This explains why it's different watch someone else cover a COB song versus watching the artist.

Sure, I can learn the songs but it won't sound like my heroes.
#25
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You're right. This explains why it's different watch someone else cover a COB song versus watching the artist.

Sure, I can learn the songs but it won't sound like my heroes.


Also Youtube's compression system is terribad.
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#26
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You're right. This explains why it's different watch someone else cover a COB song versus watching the artist.

You're learning quickly, young padawan.
Sure, I can learn the songs but it won't sound like my heroes.

The guitar the artist uses is one of the least of your issues if you want to sound like them. There are so many other factors that play a far bigger role than what guitar the artist was using. This includes:

. The artist's skills. You can learn how to play a song flawlessly, but every guitar player plays their guitar differently, and that creates different sounds. No single way is the correct way as long as it doesn't do harm to the player, but they're all different and they're all going to affect how you sound.

. The amp. Amps are the basis of your guitar's sound, so it goes without saying how important they are and how much they affect how you sound.

. The recording gear. Recording gear and how it is set up is arguably as important is having a good amp.

If you have a terrible amp, you will never, ever going to sound how you want to sound, no matter what name is on the headstock.
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You're learning quickly, young padawan.

The guitar the artist uses is one of the least of your issues if you want to sound like them. There are so many other factors that play a far bigger role than what guitar the artist was using. This includes:

. The artist's skills. You can learn how to play a song flawlessly, but every guitar player plays their guitar differently, and that creates different sounds. No single way is the correct way as long as it doesn't do harm to the player, but they're all different and they're all going to affect how you sound.

. The amp. Amps are the basis of your guitar's sound, so it goes without saying how important they are and how much they affect how you sound.

. The recording gear. Recording gear and how it is set up is arguably as important is having a good amp.

You're right. I've watched people play BFMV songs on YouTube and everyone plays the guitar differently.

It's nice to be able to play the Take it out on Me solo, though. (They never play that song, live).

Is a Line 6 - 30w a bad amp?
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#28
That's because you're not them. You're you.

Well, that, and you don't have their recording studio, either.

The tone of any given guitar in any given recording comes from a complex system of:
- The tiny differences in technique that each guitarist possesses
- The strings they use
- The picks they use
- The tuning of that specific guitar
- The set up of that specific guitar
- The hardware of that specific guitar
- The wood of that specific guitar
- The construction of that specific guitar
- The electronics of that specific guitar
- The construction of the cables they use
- The length of the cables they use
- Any units which may be between the guitar and the amp, such as effects pedals, buffers, wireless systems or anything else
- The type of amplifier or amplifiers that they use
- The specific components of their specific amplifiers
- The precise way they have all their amplifiers' controls set.
- Whether they have anything else interacting with the amplifier, such as an effects loop
- The age of the parts within the amplifier
- Whether they record from speakers or a direct signal to a mixing board
- The construction of the speaker cabinet(s) they use
- The type of speakers within the cabinet(s)
- The age of the speakers
- The number of speakers
- The position of the speakers
- The type of microphone(s) used in front of the speaker cabinet(s)
- The position of the microphone(s) used
- The size of the room the speakers and microphone are in
- The other contents of the room
- The type of wall, floor and ceiling of the room
- Whether there are any rack units, effects or buffers between the microphone and the mixing board
- The nature of the mixing board and how the engineer uses it
- How the recording was edited afterwards, including, but not limited to:
- Duplicating the recording over itself
- Recording the same part multiple times and adding all the recordings together
- Taking multiple small recordings and piecing them together
- Cutting parts of a recording out
- Replacing parts of a recording with a fresh recording of that part
- Additional effects applied to some or part of the recording
- Additional EQ balancing applied to some or part of the recording
- The way the recording was mixed and mastered
- The way the recording was released
- The system you use to listen to the recording

... So, you see, even if you got your favourite guitarist to stand right in front of you with all their own equipment and played the same song, it still would not sound the same as it does on the recording. Let alone when you play it yourself.

Lastly, 'signature' equipment is very rarely any different from a regular model, and certainly is never higher quality. Most of the time all it is is a fancy paint job and the guitarists' signature replicated somewhere on the guitar. Usually they do shove in some different pickups, but you can get a standard guitar and put those same pickups in for less than buying the signature guitar costs. Also, just having the same kind of guitar and the same kind of pickups does not mean you'll sound anything like them, as explained above.



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Is a Line 6 - 30w a bad amp?

Line 6 is a manufacturer, they make many different types of amplifier. '30w' is simply the power it puts out. You need to look at what type of amplifier it is, not just the power and brand name. Some of Line 6's amps sound terrible, some of them sound okay, some of them are quite good. The general rule of thumb is the cheaper they are, the worse they sound.
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#31
to answer the question look at the specs of those guitars vs the factory guitars.. i know in the laiho he has 1 pup, his sig emg or sd, one pup not 2, no tone knob, and usually his custom paint schemes. but i customize all my guitars, doesn't mean i play like laiho.. i put a mark morton dominator in a strat.. what.. i dont' sound like LOG.. so again... because they can.. but so can you..
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#32
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I feel like I'm having a conversation with a child.

I think you may be.
#33
Les Paul.
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#35
When you play a les paul, strat, tele, sg, etc and approached by Gibson, Fender, etc to make you a few guitars FOR FREE so you can advertise their company while making a bit of cash for every signature guitar sold.... You would probably accept just like those guys.

A lot of times other than cosmetics its just a simple pickup/electronic swap on the regular model guitars. And maybe a slightly thicker/shaved down neck.

balls.
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#38
The guitars the artists play for real are not the same guitars you buy in the stores with their names on them.

That's just marketing BS to get you to buy them.
#39
This thread has provided me with many laughs. So info. Many funnies. Such face palm.
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#40
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The guitars the artists play for real are not the same guitars you buy in the stores with their names on them.

That's just marketing BS to get you to buy them.

Depends on the guitar and guitarist.
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