#1
Hey, I've recently been conducting research into how close amp modelling software can get to replicate real guitar amps. From this I've created a quick blind test to see if you can tell the difference! All the clips use the exact same settings on the ampfliers and modelling software, the same microphone (SM57) and the same microphone placement, no other effects are added as this would distort the signal from the amp. The test isn't to identify the best quality tone, but rather to see if their is a noticeable different between the two approaches.

I would really appreciate it if any of the guitarists on here spare a few minutes to complete my short test on Amps Vs. Amp Modelling Software for my university dissertation

http://freeonlinesurveys.com/s.asp?sid=26rbt1yj0a2xv08449596

Thanks a lot!!
Last edited by amassivewhale at Mar 27, 2014,
#2
Repeat thread.

Just posting in a different forum won't help you get a more positive response if you're trying to compare amp models to MGs.
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#4
Nothing can reproduce the crushing overdrive of a Marshall MG.


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#6
This was a cool little test actually. Both Peavey's sounded damn awful though.
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amp modeling software can kiss my ass


No it can't.

But seriously, it doesn't tell you the results when you're done the test? that's trash
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#9
Yeah, I'd like to know which was which. I definitely answered the Marshall one under the assumption that you had bad micing technique, since thats seemed to be the biggest difference in sound, haha.
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#10
Tube Amps > Kemper > Axe-FX > good SS > Software > Modeling amps> Entry-level SS's.


Though for the average hobbyist recording-engineer-wannabe person, good modelers beat out Tube Amps for recording. Even the best tube amps miked through a shitty $150 interface aren't going to shine like they're meant to.
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No it can't.

But seriously, it doesn't tell you the results when you're done the test? that's trash

i wish it could
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Though for the average hobbyist recording-engineer-wannabe person, good modelers beat out Tube Amps for recording.



lol
#13
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lol

he's right though.

have fun micing your really loud tube amp in your really small untreated bedroom m8
#14
My Kemper sounds as good as the amps it profiles. It really is mental.
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#15
The results are the following:
1, 1, 2, 2.

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My Kemper sounds as good as the amps it profiles. It really is mental.

But can it do an MG?

You can only get those real brootz with a real MG.
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he's right though.

have fun micing your really loud tube amp in your really small untreated bedroom m8



I wasn't loling at that. If you have that situation, just DI.
But to say modelling software is only for hobbyists is very naive
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Tube Amps > Kemper > Axe-FX > good SS > Software > Modeling amps> Entry-level SS's.


I love it when Ian makes absurd generalizations, especially incorrect ones.
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I love it when Ian makes absurd generalizations, especially incorrect ones.
I love how you're always all "LEL HURR DURR IANS SO RONG N DUM AND I R BETUR" and never even bother specifying the flaw in the argument because your ego is so tremendous and your head is so far up your own ass that you wouldn't dare risk being proven wrong and/or more retarded. Well, keep enjoying the smell of your own shit.


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he's right though.

have fun micing your really loud tube amp in your really small untreated bedroom m8
Less of the matter is on the room acoustics (unless distant miking) but rather the mic interface/preamp or both.

A Focusrite Saffire/Scarlett or low-end Fast-Track for example isn't going to be hot enough to allow most dynamic mics (even an SM57) to really shine. Finding this out kept me from making the mistake of buying an SM7b.
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#21
I'm with 777 about your generalization, it kinda was a pretty exaggeratedly absurd generalization.
It really depends on lotsa stuff you know, you can't just say something is better than something else, 'cause if you're talking about sounds it's something subjective and if you're talking about other mesurable stuff you should be clearer.

And now please enlighten us on how some hotter inputs would benefit dynamic mics
Because, y' know, there are interfaces with hotter inputs than the cheap fast tracks and converters with less headroom, so I really see no point in having more gain at disposal.
You could just buy a pre if you need gain anyway so why bothering?
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I'm with 777 about your generalization, it kinda was a pretty exaggeratedly absurd generalization.
It really depends on lotsa stuff you know, you can't just say something is better than something else, 'cause if you're talking about sounds it's something subjective and if you're talking about other mesurable stuff you should be clearer.
There are of course exceptions like the Roland JC's, some Peavey's, Ampeg VH140c's that are solid state and provide great tones as well, but it's generally accepted that tube amplification be used to provide for ideal tone.


And of course there are those instances where you're going for a specific kind of sound that can ONLY be done by a SS (like Chuck Schuldiner's tone or old-school death metal where they used Boss HM-2's). But again, it wouldn't fall under what's commonly accepted as "good tone."

I could cover my strings with duct tape to get a "specific sound" but very few people are going to enjoy the way it sounds and it's not going to be as practical in any other situation.


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And now please enlighten us on how some hotter inputs would benefit dynamic mics
Because, y' know, there are interfaces with hotter inputs than the cheap fast tracks and converters with less headroom, so I really see no point in having more gain at disposal.
You could just buy a pre if you need gain anyway so why bothering?
What kind of question is this? If you want your mic working like it should you need gain or it's not gonna pick up what it's supposed to. Just like how guitar amps with more sensitive input stages are more touch-sensitive, and pick up more detail of the strings.


Plus there's a lot more that factors into it; quality of the wiring, the cables, the connectors, and even before the interface. As Will mentioned you also have to deal with room acoustics although that really shouldn't be an issue with an SM57 direct miking (unless your room is REALLY tight with no carpeting).

Unless you are working at pro level, save time and money and just go with modeling. No one in your audience of maybe 1,000 will know the difference anyway. Aside from a few guitar-nerd dorks.
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The flaw is that is an absurd generalization. I did, in fact, bother specifying it.
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#24
Bumping this just because Ian is an ass.

I run two daisy-chained Saffire Pro40s and have no problems with any mic, dynamic or otherwise.

Go and tongue-punch a fox's fartbox, you diaper-wearing manchild.
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