#1
Hey guys.

I will change the original speakers in my Peavey Valveking 112 combo. The two options are: Celestion V30 or Celestion G 12 T 100. Which would be better? The V30 is "only" 60w, and the Valveking is 50w all tube, and i heard that it can blow the speaker. And the G 12 T is not only louder, but is cheaper. I live in Hungary, and a webshop makes a big spring sale, where the V30 is about ~115$ instead of ~137$, but the G12T is only ~88$ (instead of 110$). So, which one would you buy?
#2
The V30 seems to be the choice of most people, but either will be a huge upgrade compared to the stock speaker.
The G12t100 is a higher powered g12t75 which is the bog standard speaker Marshall uses
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The V30 was what I used when I had mine, and I really liked it. Tightened the amp up a lot. Never used a G12T with it though, so no comment there. It should have a little bit looser feel to it, and wouldn't have quite as much focus on the mids.
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No, it's not the "G12K-100". That's the "Hot" one.
http://celestion.com/product/23/g12t_hot_100/
I guess it's different, than the GT12K, some say it's the cheaper version of it.

Yeah the G12T100 "hot 100" is soposed to be very similar to the G12T75 that Marshall uses in most of its cabs.

The G12k100 is a completely different speasker
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Yeah the G12T100 "hot 100" is soposed to be very similar to the G12T75 that Marshall uses in most of its cabs.

The G12k100 is a completely different speasker


Oh, i didn't know it, but that's the selling pont of the G12T Thanks for all the answers.
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the g12t 100 isn't louder, it's rated for a higher wattage. the v30 is louder, it's one of the loudest guitar speakers there is. the sensitivity rating (given in dB at 1 watt at 1 metre) is what tells you how loud a speaker is. the v30 is rated at 100dB whereas the hot 100 is rated at 97dB. Not a massive difference, but if you tried them head-to-head with the same amp the v30 would be noticeably louder.

the hot 100 is meant to be pretty good, but i haven't tried it. I've heard some people say it's like a more modern-sounding greenback (sort of).

what do you want to improve about your valveking? is it not tight enough? too dark-sounding? too bright? too middy? too modern-sounding? too vintage-sounding? etc. That's normally the way to think when it comes to a speaker swap. and also pay close attention to specific speakers which are known to work well in the amp (as in a lot of cases you won't know how well it works unless you just try the thing).
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#8
If t100 is anything like T75, then the answer is either really. Stock Valveking works with both well. Since the 112 outputs only 50w you have little to fear with V30 which is rated as 60w. How often do you play with volume maxed out anyway hmmm? No, you will run out of guts or destroy your ears before you blow a single v30 speaker.

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also celestions (at least the classic and high-end models) are very conservatively-rated. They're rated for use with guitar amps, basically.
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the g12t 100 isn't louder, it's rated for a higher wattage. the v30 is louder, it's one of the loudest guitar speakers there is. the sensitivity rating (given in dB at 1 watt at 1 metre) is what tells you how loud a speaker is. the v30 is rated at 100dB whereas the hot 100 is rated at 97dB. Not a massive difference, but if you tried them head-to-head with the same amp the v30 would be noticeably louder.

the hot 100 is meant to be pretty good, but i haven't tried it. I've heard some people say it's like a more modern-sounding greenback (sort of).

what do you want to improve about your valveking? is it not tight enough? too dark-sounding? too bright? too middy? too modern-sounding? too vintage-sounding? etc. That's normally the way to think when it comes to a speaker swap. and also pay close attention to specific speakers which are known to work well in the amp (as in a lot of cases you won't know how well it works unless you just try the thing).


It's dark, gets muddy sometimes, and i miss the screaming top end. But if the G12T is kind of the Greenback, that's great, because if i could afford, i would buy a '60's cab with 4 Greenbacks in it.
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It's dark, gets muddy sometimes, and i miss the screaming top end. But if the G12T is kind of the Greenback, that's great, because if i could afford, i would buy a '60's cab with 4 Greenbacks in it.

With what your describing, the V30 sounds like the better choice of speakers for you IMO
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#12
that's what i'd have thought, too. you don't really get a screaming top end with a v30 (it's more upper mids, though to a lot of people it doesn't really sound all that different unless you have a speaker with more high treble to compare it to head-to-head).

but yeah if it's too dark and muddy v30 would be the thing. the v30 is super tight and pretty bright in the mids.
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Nice, that sounds a lot better (and louder, too). Nice playing too.

I can sorta hear the celestiony/greenbackish thing going on there. Kind of a graininess to the distortion that you tend to hear with the more vintage-style celestions. (Though I think from what i've read the hot 100 sounds a bit more modern than a greenback too.)
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Nice, that sounds a lot better (and louder, too). Nice playing too.

I can sorta hear the celestiony/greenbackish thing going on there. Kind of a graininess to the distortion that you tend to hear with the more vintage-style celestions. (Though I think from what i've read the hot 100 sounds a bit more modern than a greenback too.)


Yes, it has that typical tone of Celestion, and kind of greenbackish And that's great, because if i could afford, i would buy a '60s Marshall cab with 4 Greenbacks in it.
The sound is now very biting, the normal drive chanel now sound like the good old Megadeth albums, but with the stock speaker it was 'just' a usually blues/rock kind of sound. And that's great imo.

And thanks for the complement
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no problem, glad you like it
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