#1
Hi All,

So I have a Yamaha Pacifica 012 that I got in a kit. Had it for a little while and feeling a bit restless with it.

I'm not skilled enough to warrant a massive investment, can't even do barre chords yet, but I am not loving the tone I'm getting from the guitar through my Marshall MG15. It feels a little "weedy" if that makes any sense.

I love the Yamaha fit and finish and was wondering if it's worth upgrading to either a 112VMX or possibly the 311H. Is it a big enough improvement to warrant the spend?

I have looked at Strats and the guy in the guitar shop said that Mexi Strats are rubbish and I will regret buying one. I can't afford an American one.

My questions are therefore:

1. Is it worth upgrading to a new Yamaha 112VMX or 311H?
2. Can anyone recommend a different guitar that is under £500?

Many thanks in advance.
#2
Quote by Nemesis44UK
Hi All,

So I have a Yamaha Pacifica 012 that I got in a kit. Had it for a little while and feeling a bit restless with it.

I'm not skilled enough to warrant a massive investment, can't even do barre chords yet, but I am not loving the tone I'm getting from the guitar through my Marshall MG15. It feels a little "weedy" if that makes any sense.

I love the Yamaha fit and finish and was wondering if it's worth upgrading to either a 112VMX or possibly the 311H. Is it a big enough improvement to warrant the spend?

I have looked at Strats and the guy in the guitar shop said that Mexi Strats are rubbish and I will regret buying one. I can't afford an American one.

My questions are therefore:

1. Is it worth upgrading to a new Yamaha 112VMX or 311H?
2. Can anyone recommend a different guitar that is under £500?

Many thanks in advance.


What you need is a new amp. The MG series sucks.
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#3
Quote by Nemesis44UK
(...) I am not loving the tone I'm getting from the guitar through my Marshall MG15. It feels a little "weedy" if that makes any sense.

The problem isn't the guitar, it's the amp.

The Marshall MG series amps are really awful. In my opinion, they are, along with Line 6 Spider amps, the practice amps with worst tone and sound quality.

If you give us this information, we can help you choose a good amp to upgrade to, which you'll be able to get great tone from with your current guitar:

Budget? - What is practical for you and what is your limit?

Genres? - What style do you play mostly, fav guitarists, do you need cleans, etc?

New or Used? - Lots of great amps out there used, especially in a down economy.

Home or Gig? - Also important. Maybe you do both. Jamming with a drummer can be considered 'gigging' but you won't have a PA etc.

Closest City? - We aren't here to stalk you but we need to know where you are in the world roughly and we can help further if we know what city you are in (ie craigslist, local shops, Guitar Center used section, etc)

Current Gear? - Also good for us to know.
Squier "VMC" Stratocaster
PRS SE Singlecut
tc electronic polytune
CMAT MODS Signa Drive
Blakemore Effects Deus Ex Machina
DIY gaussmarkov Dr. Boogey
EHX Small Clone
Mooer ShimVerb
DIY Beavis Devolt
T-REX Fuel Tank Chameleon
Ampeg GVT52-112
Last edited by Linkerman at Mar 31, 2014,
#4
Wow - totally not expecting this response!

The MG15 is light years ahead of the Yamaha amp that came with the kit, so how bad was the Yammy?

Budget - £200 or under

Genres - All sorts - doesn't have to excel in one area, but I use both clean and overdrive in equal amounts.

Home or Gig? - Home

Closest City - Bordon, Hampshire, UK

Current Gear - Yamaha Pacifica 012 and Marshall MG15 Amp - no pedals etc
#6
Your sound is "weedy" because you're using a 15w solid state amplifier with an 8" speaker. To get a fuller sound you need to get a larger speaker and either switch to a valve amp (most common), switch to a hybrid amp and up the power a bit (bit unusual but some people like it), or stay with solid state and up the power a lot (very specialist).

Before, you stated a budget of "under £500". If you put that into your amp, not the guitar, you will end up with a much, much bigger sound. Even 'just' switching to a 15w valve combo like a Marshall DSL15C will give you more power and a fuller tone.

Changing anything about your guitar will yield absolutely zero net gain. You could switch guitars entirely, pick up something meaty like a Les Paul or Explorer, put the heaviest, thickest-sounding pickups in it, and your tone would still be "weedy" with that MG15.
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Last edited by MrFlibble at Mar 31, 2014,
#7
Quote by jdcabreza
Sounds like you want a modeling amp. I'm going to go ahead and suggest the Fender Mustang II v2. It has a decent variety of tones, which I'm guessing you want.
http://www.andertons.co.uk/combo-amps/pid27700/cid691/fender-mustang-ii-v2-1x12-modelling-amp-combo.asp

Since you want a versatile amp for different music genres, i concur that a modelling amp would be a good choice.

As suggested, the Fender Mustang is a great amp. Also have a look at the Vox Valvetronix.

If you play a lot of high gain, like metal and its subgenres, the Peavey Vypyr and the Roland Cube are also worth considering.
These two do pretty much every kind of sound you'd want, like the Fender Mustang and Vox Valvetronix, but their "metal tones" are better.


And choose a version that has a 12" speaker, it would be the ideal.
At the very least, 10".
Squier "VMC" Stratocaster
PRS SE Singlecut
tc electronic polytune
CMAT MODS Signa Drive
Blakemore Effects Deus Ex Machina
DIY gaussmarkov Dr. Boogey
EHX Small Clone
Mooer ShimVerb
DIY Beavis Devolt
T-REX Fuel Tank Chameleon
Ampeg GVT52-112
Last edited by Linkerman at Mar 31, 2014,
#8
Thank you all for your responses, although I think I may have worded things poorly in my initial post.

My issue is not volume. I only ever use the amp with headphones anyway, but the tone seems a bit thin, not very warm. Overdrive is muddy, regardless of how I set the gain and the clean sounds ill-defined. Would this still be an amp issue?

@jdcabreza - That amp looks amazing and well priced with a lot of extra stuff. I will check that out.

@MrFlibble - I agree with what you say about the amp, but respectfully, if the guitar makes no difference, why does anyone buy Gibson or Fender?

The Pacifica 012 is the cheapest guitar Yamaha sell and it was my understanding that it was unsuitable as a long-term guitar.

Would I be better served with a different amp and leave the new guitar until later then?
#9
Quote by Nemesis44UK
if the guitar makes no difference, why does anyone buy Gibson or Fender?
The guitar makes no difference with that amp and amplifiers like it. The guitar does make a huge difference once you're playing through professional amplifiers.

No, the Pacifica isn't a long-term guitar in the sense that you're not going to see many professionals use on on arena tours, but it's a perfectly servicable guitar that should last you at least until you start playing small gigs. Even then, I've seen many people at smaller shows using Pacificas and equivalent guitars from other brands.

As others have suggested, if a wide range of tones is a selling point for you, the Mustang, Cube, Vypyr and Valvetronix are all good options. If the most important thing to you is to get much more power, though, I do think that a valve amp or hybrid amp will be a better option.
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#11
The amp is the ticket.

Also, I wouldn't let anyone talk me away from a MiM Strat. If you like the fit and feel of it, could be all the guitar you ever need. But go the amp route first.

I practice through a Mustang v2 and love it. If you can squeeze a little extra funds, get the 3. Then later you can expand the pedals (expression pedal and additional switch). Also able to do a lot more editing the tones on the fly with the screen.