#1
Needless to say the 81/85 are far better than my stock passive EMGs. But I play through a Peavey Vypyr 30 and my guitar Is a schecter damien 6. Will upgrading the pickups make a considerable difference with my equipment? I am new to electric guitar so go easy on me.

I cannot upgrade amp because my amp is brand new
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#2
Quote by Ayushyadav
Needless to say the 81/85 are far better than my passive EMGs. But I play through a Peavey Vypyr 30 and my guitar Is a schecter damien 6. Will upgrading tje pickups make a considerable difference given my equipment?


Wouldn't you have to cut through wood to add a battery compartment? Or am I wrong?
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#3
Quote by Fisheth24
Wouldn't you have to cut through wood to add a battery compartment? Or am I wrong?

I don't know man I will be getting it done at the guitar shop. You sure about this cutting thing? Its a new and my first electric guitar.
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#4
Quote by Ayushyadav
I don't know man I will be getting it done at the guitar shop. You sure about this cutting thing? Its a new and my first electric guitar.


If you are going to active pickups you will need to route a battery box for the battery they need.

I say you should upgrade from EMG altogether

Get REAL pickups. SD, DiMarzio, Lace. Anything but an 81/85.
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#5
Quote by TheStig1214
If you are going to active pickups you will need to route a battery box for the battery they need.

I say you should upgrade from EMG altogether

Get REAL pickups. SD, DiMarzio, Lace. Anything but an 81/85.


WTF.

I hope you were joking. Most guitars have room for the 9V in the control cavity. Tell some kid to cut his guitar up...

Keep in mind when you switch to actives you'll need to replace the pots as well. 25k I believe.

EMG's are quiet and hit an amp hard. It all depends on what type of sound he is after. I know he have a vypyr... but whats to say he won't upgrade his amp in a year or two with the same guitar.
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WTF.

I hope you were joking. Most guitars have room for the 9V in the control cavity. Tell some kid to cut his guitar up...

Keep in mind when you switch to actives you'll need to replace the pots as well. 25k I believe.

EMG's are quiet and hit an amp hard. It all depends on what type of sound he is after. I know he have a vypyr... but whats to say he won't upgrade his amp in a year or two with the same guitar.


You can put a 9V battery in the control compartment, but if it isn't properly secured a good shake could mean shorting something out and damaging the guitar.

I was, however, being a bit sarcastic with my comment about EMGs. I'm not a fan of them but whatever. His choice

EDIT: It also would be easier for him just to get better passives. For 81/85 money you can ge a lot from the passive pickup department.
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#7
Quote by TheStig1214
You can put a 9V battery in the control compartment, but if it isn't properly secured a good shake could mean shorting something out and damaging the guitar.

I was, however, being a bit sarcastic with my comment about EMGs. I'm not a fan of them but whatever. His choice


EMG hater...

A piece of foam wrapped around the battery does the trick. You definitely don't want it rattling around.

Everything is preference. I'd at least ask what he likes to play and what tuning.
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Quote by R45VT
EMG hater...

A piece of foam wrapped around the battery does the trick. You definitely don't want it rattling around.

Everything is preference. I'd at least ask what he likes to play and what tuning.


I'll admit EMG is getting better. I like the 57/66 set.

To the OP, upgrading your pickups actually won't change your sound that much. I'd upgrade amps before pickups. The Vypyr 30 is nice, but I'd get something with a full 12" speaker first.
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#9
Quote by TheStig1214
You can put a 9V battery in the control compartment, but if it isn't properly secured a good shake could mean shorting something out and damaging the guitar.



Hey, haven't you seen what amazing things MacGyver has done with a duct tape? 9v battery is nothing.


TS, EMG HZ-4 is quite crappy pickup, thin and very low output. EMG 81/85 or some other combo (Or Duncan Blackouts) would be a big upgrade. Though if its worth it with Vypyr 30 I cant really say.

Do take a note that EMG 81 is not a direct swap to HZ. HZ is afterall just a passive pickup so all the pots and jacks have to be changed if you go active. Are you certain that you want to go active route when there are a lot of great passives around?

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#10
I play mostly metal bands like iron maideb metallica bfmv dream theater a7x. Occasionally some greenday.

I am not keen on changing the pots already. thr guitar is barely 2 months old.

I am trying to keep my budget under 120$. Can you recommend some pickups for me then (active or passive)?
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#11
Quote by Ayushyadav
I play mostly metal bands like iron maideb metallica bfmv dream theater a7x. Occasionally some greenday.

I am not keen on changing the pots already. thr guitar is barely 2 months old.

I am trying to keep my budget under 120$. Can you recommend some pickups for me then (active or passive)?



For clarification, EMG set comes with everything, pots and jacks so if you are comfortable in ripping the old electronics out you can put new ones in. In case of EMG its mostly solderless swap too. But since active and passive pickups are not compatible (atleast not easily) with each other you have to change both neck and bridge pickup which drives up the cost.

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#12
Quote by Ayushyadav
I play mostly metal bands like iron maideb metallica bfmv dream theater a7x. Occasionally some greenday.

I am not keen on changing the pots already. thr guitar is barely 2 months old.

I am trying to keep my budget under 120$. Can you recommend some pickups for me then (active or passive)?


For good high output stuff check out Seymour Duncan. Listen to sound samples of each pickup and use their Tone Wizard pickup finder: http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/tone-wizard/

Plugging your spec it seems they recommend a Custom/'59 set. Not bad. That will run you about $160 though...
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#13
Duncan distortion is a good pick-up. Stay away from the Invader... its muddy.

I mainly use Seymour Duncan so I can't comment on the other brands.
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#14
Quote by TheStig1214
The Vypyr 30 is nice, but I'd get something with a full 12" speaker first.


You mean like, maybe, a Vypyr 30? All Vypyr combos have 12" speakers except the 15.
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You mean like, maybe, a Vypyr 30? All Vypyr combos have 12" speakers except the 15.


I thought the Vypyr 30 had an 8" speaker?

Must be bad info.
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Quote by TheStig1214
I thought the Vypyr 30 had an 8" speaker?

Must be bad info.


No, its 12 incher. 15 is the small practice amp though 30 is not exactly massive either.

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#17
Quote by TheStig1214
I thought the Vypyr 30 had an 8" speaker?

Must be bad info.


Yep.


To TS, why exactly do you think you need to upgrade? What is it you want to accomplish?
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Quote by Arby911
To TS, why exactly do you think you need to upgrade? What is it you want to accomplish?


Yeah this.
#19
I expected a distortion with more bass than what I am getting
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#20
Quote by Ayushyadav
I expected a distortion with more bass than what I am getting


The pickups won't give you more distortion, maybe a little more bass. I think you're looking for a better amp or an EQ.
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Quote by TheStig1214
The pickups won't give you more distortion, maybe a little more bass. I think you're looking for a better amp or an EQ.



Well, yes and no. Hot pickups do drive to front end of the amp harder just like clean boost or OD pedal would so result is more distorted sound though if that is a good thing or not depends on amp and situation. HZ is rather low output so switching to hotter pickups may result in touch more punch.

Case in point, with my Randall when I use my Cort Z4 with X2N I need my gain bit over half-way only and it sounds punchy. When my K47 had the EMG HZ-7 even when I had the gain maxed out it still somehow managed to sound wimpy despite the distortion.

*edit* Now that I mention it TS if you want pickup that just pushes the amp hard get Dimarzio X2N. Though cleans are problematic, depending on amp you may have to toy with your guitars volume knob or it pushes the cleans into mild crunch.

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#22
Quote by Ayushyadav
I expected a distortion with more bass than what I am getting


I'm unconvinced a pickup swap is going to give you what you want.
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#23
Quote by MaaZeus
Well, yes and no. Hot pickups do drive to front end of the amp harder just like clean boost or OD pedal would so result is more distorted sound though if that is a good thing or not depends on amp and situation. HZ is rather low output so switching to hotter pickups may result in touch more punch.

Case in point, with my Randall when I use my Cort Z4 with X2N I need my gain bit over half-way only and it sounds punchy. When my K47 had the EMG HZ-7 even when I had the gain maxed out it still somehow managed to sound wimpy despite the distortion.

*edit* Now that I mention it TS if you want pickup that just pushes the amp hard get Dimarzio X2N. Though cleans are problematic, depending on amp you may have to toy with your guitars volume knob or it pushes the cleans into mild crunch.



You keep mentioning that the HZ is low output, which wasn't my experience with it at all, perhaps it was just the HZ-7? I had an H4 and it had a ridiculous amount of output. Still sounded like garbage but it hit the amp super hard.

TS, I think that you may just be seeing one of the downsides of the Vypyr, it is kind of thin, which sometimes makes it seem like it is lacking low end.
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#24
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You keep mentioning that the HZ is low output, which wasn't my experience with it at all, perhaps it was just the HZ-7? I had an H4 and it had a ridiculous amount of output. Still sounded like garbage but it hit the amp super hard.


The Cort Z4 came stock with HZ H4 and I would not call it considerably hot because the stock pickups my LTD came with (the ESP LH150 or something) are hotter. Tonezone is something I would describe as hot in my standards.

But you are right, HZ-7 is even lower output. That pickup is just piece of shit and no matter what amp you use I suggest anyone should change them away ASAP.

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#25
TS- what tuning and string size do you use?
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#26
Quote by Ayushyadav
I play mostly metal bands like iron maideb metallica bfmv dream theater a7x. Occasionally some greenday.

I am not keen on changing the pots already. thr guitar is barely 2 months old.

I am trying to keep my budget under 120$. Can you recommend some pickups for me then (active or passive)?


Considering both your amp and guitar are relatively cheap, and your budget is relatively low, I would point you in the direction of DiMarzio. They are good pickups that cost less than SDs or EMGs, generally.

The "standard" DiMarzio set (the set usually found stock in guitars) is the Tone Zone / Air Norton. I would recommend it.
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#27
EMG make a battery eliminator. You don't actually have to fit a battery inside the guitar if you don't want to.
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The Cort Z4 came stock with HZ H4 and I would not call it considerably hot because the stock pickups my LTD came with (the ESP LH150 or something) are hotter. Tonezone is something I would describe as hot in my standards.




Well we can agree on the Tone Zone, definitely hot (and my favorite pickup ).

I guess it is just a case of YMMV, the H4 I had in my LTD was obnoxiously loud and hit the front-end of my amp so hard that I got a suitable overdrive sound on my clean channel no matter where I set the gain. Who knows? Regardless it is a lousy pickup.
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#29
I gotta say though, I think it's a false economy. I am actually quite fond of EMG's because of the low noise factor, especially in a gigging situation. Apart from that it's not gonna make that big of a difference with that amp, well, nothing good. I'd just grab a half decent passive pup like the others are recommending. With that amp the law of diminishing returns is gonna set in pretty early.
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#30
Tone zone or x2n, which one do I buy? I have to put them at both neck and bridge?
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#31
Quote by R45VT
WTF.

I hope you were joking. Most guitars have room for the 9V in the control cavity. Tell some kid to cut his guitar up...


Keep in mind when you switch to actives you'll need to replace the pots as well. 25k I believe.

EMG's are quiet and hit an amp hard. It all depends on what type of sound he is after. I know he have a vypyr... but whats to say he won't upgrade his amp in a year or two with the same guitar.


I have swapped batterys into every time I tried i NEVER had to route anything out. I have fit 2 9v batterys in back for 18v. Don't worry.
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#32
EMG make an 18V version of their battery eliminator too btw.

I use rechargeables and have a charge socket on the back of the guitar. I started doing that before I'd even heard of their eliminator. I don't even think they made them at the time. I'm very tempted to make my own battery eliminator but I think it might be a bit of a pita at gigs because I swap guitars a fair bit.
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#33
Quote by Offworld92
Considering both your amp and guitar are relatively cheap, and your budget is relatively low, I would point you in the direction of DiMarzio. They are good pickups that cost less than SDs or EMGs, generally.

The "standard" DiMarzio set (the set usually found stock in guitars) is the Tone Zone / Air Norton. I would recommend it.


i have two RG Prestiges with the same specs, one came with the tone zone/red velvet/Air norton. the other with a Crunch Lab/Liquifier (what john john petrucci uses, comes cheaper as a set) and it is IMO so much better than the previous guitar with the tonezone/RV/air norton. the other will be soon to get another set, i just know what i want.
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i have two RG Prestiges with the same specs, one came with the tone zone/red velvet/Air norton. the other with a Crunch Lab/Liquifier (what john john petrucci uses, comes cheaper as a set) and it is IMO so much better than the previous guitar with the tonezone/RV/air norton. the other will be soon to get another set, i just know what i want.


I know the CL is very popular, I just don't like it at all. It sounds super bland and boring to me. And TS is looking for more bass, which the TZ will deliver, lol.

Regardless, Youtube is your friend, TS.
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