#1
I know a lot of people say the difference between a 2x12 and a 1x12 is a lot bigger than a 2x12 and a 4x12. But what about at low volumes? Around the range of talking - TV volumes? Do you think in that case that a 2x12 still provides a notable benefit?
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But what about at low volumes? Around the range of talking - TV volumes? Do you think in that case that a 2x12 still provides a notable benefit?


I'd do 112 at that volume. Maybe even just a 1x8.
#3
1x8

No use whatsoever for a 2x12 in the bedroom.
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1x8

No use whatsoever for a 2x12 in the bedroom.


I like to mix speakers.

Can't do that with a 1x12, where's your god now!




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I currently have a 1x12 combo in my bedroom...and it's more than I need in terms of volume. It never goes beyond 3 or 4.


(I am planning on getting another 1x12 combo with a different voiding, however...)
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ported 1x12?
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I'd get get the 2x12 and just use a small head. That way you've got the 2x12 if you ever need it.
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Keep in mind that you are limited from amps that impede your speaker selection.

2x12s aren't that big or heavy,
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At that sort of volume it won't matter shit.
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Keep in mind that you are limited from amps that impede your speaker selection.

2x12s aren't that big or heavy,


Unless you get the BIG 2x12 like i did...

But yeah depending on your amp head, a 2x12 is pretty much perfect to have, Although im debating to get a ported 1x12 if i get a JCA50/100
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#11
The head I'm going to get is really tiny. The new VK Micro.

Cabwise, I'll either get a Mesa Transatlantic 19 1x12, or an Orange PPC212OB for the 2x12.

I like the Mesa because I can carry it in one hand and carry the VK in the other. The Orange is huge in comparison, weighs 2x as much (literally, 26lbs vs 52lbs), and costs more.


Also lol @ 1x8 suggestions. Over my dead body.
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Well, the Mesa is a C90 and the Orange is V30. That's what should be dictating which you get. Which do you prefer?
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#13
I've weighed in on this countless times, and I'm sure most disagree. It's a matter of personal taste I suppose, but a 2x12 just sounds much fuller to me. 1x12s have always sounded a bit boxy to me, and I much prefer the way a 2x12 disperses the sound at all volumes. Seems to be a distinct difference to me. YMMV
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At that sort of volume it won't matter shit.



Orange 212. You need it for when you get a hold of a > 100W head. It's also very convenient for when you need to mix up speaker combos.

I like how (I think) it sounds so much better for when it needs to be loud.
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I've got the Zilla Studio 2x12 in the bedroom - http://www.zillacabs.com/2x12_cabs.php
v30 and gt12.
Sounds great.

Question is, apart from space, why wouldn't you?

If you've got a regular sized 50/100w head (with a great MV), it'd look a bit daft on a 1 x8
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For your purposes I'd get a big 1 X 12 (Avatar Contemporary or Orange PPC 112) and be done with it. The "cab" on my 6505 112 is pretty big and sounds great at bedroom volumes. It sounds great at gig volumes too. It is a little boxy if you crank the mids too much, but that's avoidable. I wouldn't want a smaller 1 X 12 though. Honestly, I don't notice *that* big of a difference between my 412 and the 112 cab in my bedroom. I mean, yes, the 412 does sound bigger but I can only crank it so much in a small space. The 112 sounds tighter too. However, when I pull the rig into a bigger room or outside, that's where the difference really comes into play.

Keep in mind, you can get speakers that will handle a 100 watt head all by themselves.
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Also lol @ 1x8 suggestions. Over my dead body.


Well, a 1x8 is good enough in both the bedroom and recording studio for Duane Allman, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Billy Gibbons, Joe Perry, Slash, Brian Setzer and many others. But of course, they have talent.

Players who think a 1x12 sounds "boxy" are either running through really shitty 1x12 cabs or they don't understand how to use the tone controls on their amp. Buy quality tools. Learn how to use the tools.
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Quote by Offworld92
I know a lot of people say the difference between a 2x12 and a 1x12 is a lot bigger than a 2x12 and a 4x12. But what about at low volumes? Around the range of talking - TV volumes? Do you think in that case that a 2x12 still provides a notable benefit?


No. Fact is, I've moved to running a modeler through a pair of KRK Rokit 8's. There's actually more bottom *and* top end available, even though the Rokit's have an 8" woofer (and 90W of power each). At bedroom volumes (and up to well over 100 dB, for that matter) and bedroom distances in particular, you don't need big speaker size.
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Also lol @ 1x8 suggestions. Over my dead body.


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Well, a 1x8 is good enough in both the bedroom and recording studio for Duane Allman, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Billy Gibbons, Joe Perry, Slash, Brian Setzer and many others. But of course, they have talent.

Players who think a 1x12 sounds "boxy" are either running through really shitty 1x12 cabs or they don't understand how to use the tone controls on their amp. Buy quality tools. Learn how to use the tools.


And all of Jimmy Page's recorded tones were from small single speaker combos too
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i think it still makes a difference (though it depends on exactly what you mean by "low volumes"), though whether you'd notice if you didn't have the two head to head is another thing...
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Well, the Mesa is a C90 and the Orange is V30. That's what should be dictating which you get. Which do you prefer?


As long as the speaker is good I'm not really too picky, honestly. When I tried the VK Micro it was through a Line 6 SV412 w/ V30s. Got it to sound the way I wanted. From what I've read, the C90 should be even better (very clean, no breakup).

I'm not too concerned about speakers really. I'd already planned to throw an Eminence Cannabis Rex in it. I'm totally concerned about weight and size. These two cabs happen to be the lightest 1x12 and 2x12 I can find that are easily attainable/not customish.

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For your purposes I'd get a big 1 X 12 (Avatar Contemporary or Orange PPC 112) and be done with it.


Avatars are heavy as shit.

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Orange 212. You need it for when you get a hold of a > 100W head. It's also very convenient for when you need to mix up speaker combos.

I like how (I think) it sounds so much better for when it needs to be loud.


This is a pretty fair point. Future proofing is probably a good idea. I'm a little fidgity about how terrible the little VK Micro will look on top of the huge Orange though.

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Well, a 1x8 is good enough in both the bedroom and recording studio for Duane Allman, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Billy Gibbons, Joe Perry, Slash, Brian Setzer and many others. But of course, they have talent.

Players who think a 1x12 sounds "boxy" are either running through really shitty 1x12 cabs or they don't understand how to use the tone controls on their amp. Buy quality tools. Learn how to use the tools.


I'm really not trying to be argumentative for the sake of it, but honestly none of those tones interest me at all... I wouldn't exactly be quick to take up their practices as gospel

Also I'm NOT like Cath over there, and I'm not sure how much those guys ARE like Cath. I need my mood lighting and my Ambiance.

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No. Fact is, I've moved to running a modeler through a pair of KRK Rokit 8's. There's actually more bottom *and* top end available, even though the Rokit's have an 8" woofer (and 90W of power each). At bedroom volumes (and up to well over 100 dB, for that matter) and bedroom distances in particular, you don't need big speaker size.


Sure, and I play through my POD through my tiny PC speakers as well, but guitar speakers are a different thing than FR type speakers, no?
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Sure, and I play through my POD through my tiny PC speakers as well, but guitar speakers are a different thing than FR type speakers, no?


Guitar speakers are different only in their limitations. The KRKs aren't tiny PC speakers, by any means; not with 90W each and clean response well below and well above what you can get from your basic 12" guitar speaker.

Since we're talking "in the bedroom," it's unlikely that you'll want to be much above their 108 dB (I think) upper limit in volume. And if that's the case, the guitar speaker really won't be bringing much to the party that the KRKs can't provide. You will NOT be lacking for bass response. Hit the local GC and give them a listen. While there, have them run one of the 10" subs with a pair. Now *that's* an eyebrow raiser.

Your POD *will* be set differently, of course, and you'll want to be using amp/cab sims (and if you really want a treat, try the Torpedo C.A.B. as the "power amp/cab IR" portion of that).

There are people using 10's as bass speakers, as we all know, but there are ALSO people using 8's, believe it or not. http://www.philjonespuresound.com/products/?id=16
Surprisingly, they kick serious butt.

#24
I have both and honestly at low volumes it makes no real difference. hell even cranked up there isn't a huge difference in a confined area.