#1
Hey guys, I need a quick answer to a question.
I can get a used Blackstar HT5 (without reverb) in 2 hours time for way under the retail price. Alternatively, I could get a new HT5-R in 2 days for less, but the price will obviously increase dramatically. I have no problems with running a reverb through the FX loop.
Is it worth getting the HT5 (no reverb)before someone else snaps it up?
#2
Are there any without the ht5?
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#3
In your situation, I'd take a reverb without the HT5.
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#4
I think you answered your own question. Since you can use reverb (possibly even better than built-in one) through fx loop then existence of built in reverb does not matter that much. Personally id take the cheaper option.

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#5
I have to ask... Is the HT-5 really what you want? Or is it just a convenient, cheap option for you?
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#6
I would quite like an HT5 because they sound rather good hooked up to a 2/4X12 which I have. I don't gig at the moment and only jam with other people rarely, so I don't need loud. In the demos I've heard (with a 4X12), it has an essence of JCM which I like.

EDIT: Are you assuming it's bad because of the older 10" combo version? The one I've found is the 12" version, but I'd be using it with my V30 2x12 anyway.
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#7
Neither, both are pretty meh at best.

Where are you located and what is your budget?
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Quote by CorrosionMedia
EDIT: Are you assuming it's bad because of the older 10" combo version? The one I've found is the 12" version, but I'd be using it with my V30 2x12 anyway.

No, I just asked because I've been down this particular road with the HT-5 head. Not only did it not come anywhere close to the tone I personally wanted, it also arrived in a half-playable state. Support told me to ship to it a repair center and I said **** that and returned it for a refund.

I needed an amp and needed it to be cheap, but when you're desperate you often end up with something that doesn't suit you... It's a dark road to go down and may not always end the way you expect.

Budget, location, what kind of tone do you want?
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#9
•Budget: Less than £400

•Location: South UK

•Tone: This is where it get complicated. For the past few years, I've used PodFarm 2.5. The only amp I've really liked is the "Brit J-800" (JCM-800). I recorded THIS TEST using it and a few cabs - my favourite being the Vintage 30 4x12.
I tend to use THESE SETTINGS and use the gain from about 5-7.
It would also be good to have an FX loop, but it's not an absolute must if it sounds incredible.
I'm a big fan of Less Than Jake, so "Jump" and "Fall Apart" are good examples for tones I like. Chris Demakes used to use Marshall, but now uses Blackstar, so that was one of the reasons I want an HT5.

•Portability: Not too important. I'd be running it through my 2x12 at home and I'll be getting a 1x12 at some point.

Is that in-depth enough?
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#10
You should be able to get a Marshall JCM900MkIII, JCM2000 DSL 50/100, Laney GH50/100, Laney AOR, Peavey Windsor in your budget pretty easy.

just get a head since you have a cab.
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You should be able to get a Marshall JCM900MkIII, JCM2000 DSL 50/100, Laney GH50/100, Laney AOR, Peavey Windsor in your budget pretty easy.

just get a head since you have a cab.


It's not as easy as that. In the UK (counter intuitively) Marshalls are expensive as ****.
Cheapest 900 on Google Shopping is £380 collection only from too far away. I could get an '85 800 combo for £788 or a JVM410 for £799.

I had a listen to some demos of the laneys and peavey but they just sound to fizzy.
I'll keep a look out for a 2000, though since there's one available for £400 OBO.
What are your thoughts on the 2000 TSL?
#12
Quote by CorrosionMedia
It's not as easy as that. In the UK (counter intuitively) Marshalls are expensive as ****.
Cheapest 900 on Google Shopping is £380 collection only from too far away. I could get an '85 800 combo for £788 or a JVM410 for £799.

I had a listen to some demos of the laneys and peavey but they just sound to fizzy.
I'll keep a look out for a 2000, though since there's one available for £400 OBO.
What are your thoughts on the 2000 TSL?


TSL's are an avoid.

Trust me the Laney AOR isn't fizzy. Can pick them up any day of the week on Ebay for at least 150. The Windsors go for at least £200 great amps but they're loud.,
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#13
Quote by CorrosionMedia
It's not as easy as that. In the UK (counter intuitively) Marshalls are expensive as ****.
Cheapest 900 on Google Shopping is £380 collection only from too far away. I could get an '85 800 combo for £788 or a JVM410 for £799.

I had a listen to some demos of the laneys and peavey but they just sound to fizzy.
I'll keep a look out for a 2000, though since there's one available for £400 OBO.
What are your thoughts on the 2000 TSL?

The Laney's are really nice amps, especially the GH series. The AOR's are really cheap used.

If you don't like them, then you are going to have to up your budget to get something that will be acceptable to you.

The TSL is an OK amp, but the DSL is much better

You can find used Marshall JCM2000 DSL401 combos in your budget, or you may have to wait and save a bit more.
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Done it. Bagged myself a JCM2000 DSL 50w that's recently been re-tubed and biased. £370!

The classic crunch channel is the JCM800 channel. Put a boost like a TS-9 infront and you have instant HR 80's tone.

The lead channel is soposed to be a more aggressive, saturated JCM800 sound.
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The classic crunch channel is the JCM800 channel. Put a boost like a TS-9 infront and you have instant HR 80's tone.

The lead channel is soposed to be a more aggressive, saturated JCM800 sound.


Fantastic! It'd only been listed for 2 hours, so I snapped it up quick and got myself a bargain
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Done it. Bagged myself a JCM2000 DSL 50w that's recently been re-tubed and biased. £370!



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I'll probably get one at some point for studio work ('cause I genuinely do like some of the tones), but only if it comes up dirt cheap.
#21
Hell ya! Ht5 or jcm2000, hmmm....

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#23
Yeah, I have been using a DSL100 for 1.5 yrs as my main gigging amp and I have no complaints at all. with the right tubes it sounds really good
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#24
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Yeah, I have been using a DSL100 for 1.5 yrs as my main gigging amp and I have no complaints at all. with the right tubes it sounds really good

What are the "right tubes"?
In the description, it says:
"It has recently been re-valved and biased with a set of Svetlana's I had for the EL34's and 2 of the ECC83's in V2 and V3, and new JJ's in the V1 and V4."
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#25
I use a Mullard 12ax7 in V1 and V4 and JJ Ecc83 in V2 and V3 and SED EL34

Now if they are real Svetlana tubes they are the same as SED's I have in my amp, if they are the new Svetlana they are a new and different tube that I have no experience with. I'm sure it will sound good reguardless.
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#26
The new Svetlanas that New Sensor make may very well be the worst tube I've ever tried. The SED factory closed down so proper Svetlanas are no more and the price of SED power tubes is skyrocketing because of it.
My rec for DSL heads is JJ ECC803 in V1, JJ ECC83S everywhere else. JJ EL34L power tubes. That is of course, unless you can afford NOS and that's a whole new ball game.
And for speakers, EV12L's - but you have to be pretty wealthy to afford those.

And good decision. The DSL shits on the Blackstars.
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