#1
Been in the market for a new amp for a while now and while i have settled on a head (JVM 410H) I have no idea where to begin when it comes to picking out a good cabinet to go with it. I play mostly metal. Can anyone recommend a good cabinet to go with the JVM 410? Also, how much will a cabinet actually effect the sound of an amp?
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I play mostly metal. Can anyone recommend a good cabinet to go with the JVM 410?
It depends on your budget and how big of a cab do you want.
My first choice for everything metal would be the mesa rectifier 4x12/2x12 but it's damn expensive.
Then you have the orange ppc, the marhsall with v30's I can't remember the name of, the ENGL xxl series, custom cabs like the zilla's, very cheap cabs like the harley benton's...
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Also, how much will a cabinet actually effect the sound of an amp?
In my experience that's the thing that affects the sound most after the amp.
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(a) I play mostly metal. (b) Also, how much will a cabinet actually effect the sound of an amp?


(a) what type(s) of metal?

(b) loads (i'm counting the speakers as part of the cabinet when i say that)
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(a) what type(s) of metal?

(b) loads (i'm counting the speakers as part of the cabinet when i say that)

a) stuff like As I Lay Dying, All That Remains and Veil Of Maya
b) and im not sure if I want to go with 2 speakers or 4
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Look for a used Marshall MF280 or MF400. They are normally <$300 the 280 has V30's and the 400 has K-100's

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Look for a used Marshall MF280 or MF400. They are normally <$300 the 280 has V30's and the 400 has K-100's

Are you in the USA?

Im new to cabinets, what are V30's and K-100's? Also I'm in Canada
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#8
G12V30 and G12K100 are two speaker models from celestion.
Speaker model names from them often get the G12 part cut because 12" speakers are the most widely used for guitar applications and no one here has probably ever even seen a 10" v30.

Anyway, v30's and k100's are speakers that generally are found to sound best when reproducing distorted stuff.
Like, more highly than slightly distorted stuff.
It's not like they will sound bad clean either, but for my life I can't pull out a convincing funk tone out of my 2x12 with v30's

To help you with the size choice I can only think of one question: what do you wanna do with that cab?
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#9
For $600-$1000 you can buy a really really nice cab, especially if you're looking used.

For metal pretty much any cab from Mesa, Diezel, Cornford, Genz Benz, Vader, Splawn, Marshall, Mills Acoustics, Stone Age, Port City, Orange, Custom Audio should sound good for nearly any situation.

Like spambot said, knowing how you want the cabinet to affect your tone will help lead you in the right direction. If you're looking for more more mids, tighter bass, crisp highs, projection, looser bass etc. will help pin down the right cab for you.
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#10
He already mentioned his style some posts above.

My question was about the practical aspect of the thing: do you wanna move it often, where do you wanna use it, will you gig with it... ?
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I plan to use this cab for gigs and for use at home when im not playing a show. I generally have lower mids, higher trebble and about a mid range bass on my current line 6 amp. I just want to make sure i get a solid cab cause i dont want to spend money on something that isnt going to sound quite right.
#12
Like I said a used MF280 would be great and keep your gear matching (if your like that). A used Mesa rectifier standard or Orange PPC412 would also be good
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#14
Usually, 4x12s come with wheels, so unless you had to bring them someplace that's not reachable by wheels, like a staircase, since you have the budget you may as well get a 4x12 for the wider sound.

I'd still get a used rectifier 4x12 at this point, or an orange ppc4x12 if you can find one for less money and/or (like me :P) you happen to be fond of orange colored equipment.
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Is the only difference between the Mesa Rectifier 4x12 and the oversized version just size?
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G12V30 and G12K100 are two speaker models from celestion.
Speaker model names from them often get the G12 part cut because 12" speakers are the most widely used for guitar applications and no one here has probably ever even seen a 10" v30.

Anyway, v30's and k100's are speakers that generally are found to sound best when reproducing distorted stuff.
Like, more highly than slightly distorted stuff.
It's not like they will sound bad clean either, but for my life I can't pull out a convincing funk tone out of my 2x12 with v30's

To help you with the size choice I can only think of one question: what do you wanna do with that cab?


wat

V30s are fantastic funk speakers. Spanky and tight as shit. Probably my favorite all round speaker.
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wat

V30s are fantastic funk speakers. Spanky and tight as shit. Probably my favorite all round speaker.
Tight?
Not really.
Speanky?
Well yeah.

THEY HAVE TOO MUCH ****IN MIDS.
That's the problem.
Funk doesn't like mids.
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Is the only difference between the Mesa Rectifier 4x12 and the oversized version just size?
Yeah.
And if you have the money and the space, I'd get the oversized one.
Better bass.
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Also, how much will a cabinet actually effect the sound of an amp?



The choice of cabinet (particularly speakers used) are the next biggest thing affecting your sound. Every guitar speaker is colored differently and react to different frequencies differently (like one being looser in bass, other being tighter than... you get the idea) and just switching from speakers to another will dramatically change your tone. But the thing with speakers is that this is all about your taste, you may not even end up liking V30's despite how popular they are and want to try some other speakers with a different touch. Or maybe you want to mix them and combine different speakers in same cab.

To put things in perspective here are couple of comparisons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRDRs2vyMyw

And some Eminences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9_exgI5Esg


By the way, Mesa Celestion V30 is a custom made and differs from normal Celestion V30 quite a bit. There are comparisons about those too in youtube if you are interested.

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Tight?
Not really.
Speanky?
Well yeah.

THEY HAVE TOO MUCH ****IN MIDS.
That's the problem.
Funk doesn't like mids.

Actually I know several funk bands and they all use V30's or CL-80's and they all sound just fine. And they use plenty of mids

Just take a step back and re-evaluate what you wrote there
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I sort of agree with spambot there (though I agree v30s are tight as all get-out, not sure i'd call them spanky).



I don't play much funk, though and it's very dependent on the amp you're using.

i could see cl80s working well for funkier stuff, though, they have a lot fewer mids. maybe too chunky/bassy, though.
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#22
Alright I might retreat about the tightness part, but that's it.

I think you can play funk on anything if you have a clean amp and a compressor, but I don't like much mids in my funk, and my go-to speakers for that are 10" to 8" jensen's.
And I don't even dislike the lows that much y' know.
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#23
yeah i'd prefer a blackfacier tone for funk too, for when i never play it

but yeah i agree.
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yeah i'd prefer a blackfacier tone for funk too, for when i never play it
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#25
I dunno. I've been playing funk/jazz for years, and my favorite tone I've ever had for that is with the Rhodes and V30s. Bright and sparkly with just enough punch. I love jacking up my mids though. Especially when using single coils.
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#26
^^

^ yeah I mean it's very dependent on your amp etc. Most of my amps can use help with the cleans, and the v30s tend to make them "worse", at least to my ears. Don't get me wrong, I do like v30s, just not for that type of tone.
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#27
I don't like v30s on their own. Too middy. To really shine they need to be paired with something like k100s
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