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#1
Hey guys, I am stuck between getting a used mesa/boogie dual rec roadster or a new EVH 5150 iii. I currently use a Peavey vypyr 120 watt tube amp. The amp has terrible feedback at stage volumes so I need to upgrade to a different amplifier. Check out my YouTube channel "atallguy124" and listen to my guitar solos such as my "Scarified" cover. Will either of these amps I'm considering give me a similar sustaining lead tone and non-mushy palm mutes? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks!
#2
For paul gilbert I'd take the mesa.
If it wasn't for paul gilbert I'd take the EVH.

It'd be helpful if you described the stuff you wanna play a bit more in depth.
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#3
I play a lot of Gilbert, Vai, Satriani and a HUGE range of rock due to my job as an instructor School of Rock. Metallica tones is a must because I'm in a Metallica Cover band. I also want to be able to have Pantera tones. Basically anywhere from classic rock to heavy metal.
#4
I played a Vypyr 120H for a while. Your problem isn't normal and isn't good grounds for needing to upgrade.

If you want a new amp, all power to you, we all do. But just make sure you're not making up excuses for it.

Have you retubed the Vypyr?


Also based on what you play I HIGHLY recommend a Peavey JSX over a Mesa or EVH. I had a JSX for a while and that amp BREATHES that virtuoso style tone. It's like it was built for that. (Well, not just "like" it was, haha.)
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#5
Sounds to me like you've got microphonic power tubes (or the phase inverter) in your Vyper. Do the pencil tap test on them.
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#7
If you're looking for a new amp, which is the question you asked about, a 5150 is (I think) more versatile and more reliable and just a better overall amp.

Actually I attend AND teach at the School of Rock north of Chicago and I think for the range of things that you might play, the 5150 is your best option.

However, the aforementioned consideration towards the functionality of your amp shouldn't be ignored, so try fixing that first.

Good luck
#8
The Roadster is probably just as versatile if not more so than the EVH. TS, as everyone has said, you need to figure out what is causing the feedback, that isn't normal.
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#9
Your amp should be able to withstand stage volume without feedback. I was able to sit right in front of one at Guitar Center, turn it to a pretty saturated high gain tone, and play at high volumes without feedback. This was on the 60 so the 120 should be fine...with your tone being that sweet, I'd just look into fixing the issue. It's probably pretty simple.
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#10
I appreciate all of this quick feedback. I love my Peavey Vypyr, but I guess I should add that I'm looking to upgrade to a full tube amp to replace the Vypyr's digital qualities. I'm going to take the Vypyr to my local Peavey experts, and see what they say about the feedback and see if they can fix it. It's just strange that both my 120 and 75 watt Vypyrs do this! Any continued advice is appreciated, I'm pretty new to the world of amplifiers because I got my vypyrs when I was young.
#12
Don't bother with a tech yet... Turn the amp up loud and tap on each tube with the eraser of a pencil... If the 'tap' comes through the speaker then that's very likely your problem. Replace that tube and you're good. It's called a 'microphonic preamp tube' and is one of the most common causes for issues with tube amps, though it's actually just the result of a bad tube not the amp.
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#13
I'd say the Mesa is a good bit more versatile, but the 5150 III is definitely more the sound you want for Paul Gilbert. The Roadster is looser and bigger sounding, not the Gilbert sound at all.
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I appreciate all of this quick feedback. I love my Peavey Vypyr, but I guess I should add that I'm looking to upgrade to a full tube amp to replace the Vypyr's digital qualities. I'm going to take the Vypyr to my local Peavey experts, and see what they say about the feedback and see if they can fix it. It's just strange that both my 120 and 75 watt Vypyrs do this! Any continued advice is appreciated, I'm pretty new to the world of amplifiers because I got my vypyrs when I was young.


Have you tried a different guitar? Are you running the preamp gain really high?
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#15
Microphonic tubes, or just too much gain. There are practical limits between great hi gain tone and massive feedback. If this is a new problem while you have always been at the same gain settings and volume.. it's the pre tubes.

Between your two choices I would get the Mesa. Higher build quality and a tad tighter tone IMO.
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#16
In that case, the Mesa Boogie Roadster. I've tested the head+Mesa 4x12 and the 2x12 combo, and I could definitely see myself rocking one of either them down the road.
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Mesa for me, but look into the smaller Mesa Micro Rectifier - I think it was 40 watts and maybe can afford one new?
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The roadster sounds plain better.
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Have you guys even played a Roadster? I mean, I LOVE mine... but it's completely the wrong tone for Paul Gilbert, Satriani, Iron Maiden, Guns 'N Roses, etc...
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Sorry I meant 5:50

The 5:50 (and the whole Express series) sounds nothing like a Recto.

Their description on the website mentions Rectifier sounds, but it's complete B.S.
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#21
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Have you guys even played a Roadster? I mean, I LOVE mine... but it's completely the wrong tone for Paul Gilbert, Satriani, Iron Maiden, Guns 'N Roses, etc...


This... I'm thinking the JSX (as mentioned) or the 5150 III... Hell, a Carvin Legacy would be good too, or even the V3
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Sorry I meant 5:50
That's even worse
The one I tried had enough gain to play high gain blues, no more.
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This... I'm thinking the JSX (as mentioned) or the 5150 III... Hell, a Carvin Legacy would be good too, or even the V3


I was thinking about coming in here and suggesting the Legacy. I personally would probably veto the V3. I use a V3 and he could probably get reasonably close with it, but I think that he could get closer with other amps in the same price bracket. I love the amp, but I really don't think it's quite right for the tones he's looking for.
#24
I'm beginning to think I might just have too much gain then. Because both my 120 tube vypyr and 75 solid state vypyr both do it. I'll tweak with it a bit and see if I can solve the problem. What are your thoughts on the peavey 6505+ vs the EVH 5150 iii?
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I'm beginning to think I might just have too much gain then. Because both my 120 tube vypyr and 75 solid state vypyr both do it. I'll tweak with it a bit and see if I can solve the problem. What are your thoughts on the peavey 6505+ vs the EVH 5150 iii?

Again, have you tried another guitar/cable?
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#27
Between the 6505+ and the 5150 III, I would go with the 5150 III. It can go from great 80s centric high gain (Van Halen, hair metal, GNR, etc.), to modern metal, plus sport some sweet cleans with plenty of warmth and sparkle. The 6505+ is tweakable for a few great sounds, but somewhat more limited. It's clean sound is inferior without extra effects to take out some of the dry sterility. It has wonderfully rude high gain that works for most of your typical dropped C metal though.
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#28
I have tried all of my guitars and plenty of cables, so I basically narrowed it down to being my amplifiers. After work today, I went into the rehearsal room and cranked my 75w vypyr and simply lowered the pre and post gain controls. It seemed to help, but my tone was just a bit more thin from the loss of gain. If I were to purchase a new amp, I think I'm personally leaning towards the 5150 iii 50w head and 2x12 cab, even though I fear the volume drop between channels 1 and 2. Still seems to be a great amp. Haven't tried playing any Metallica on one before though, so I'd just have to go try it out again.
#29
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I appreciate all of this quick feedback. I love my Peavey Vypyr, but I guess I should add that I'm looking to upgrade to a full tube amp to replace the Vypyr's digital qualities. I'm going to take the Vypyr to my local Peavey experts, and see what they say about the feedback and see if they can fix it. It's just strange that both my 120 and 75 watt Vypyrs do this! Any continued advice is appreciated, I'm pretty new to the world of amplifiers because I got my vypyrs when I was young.
What "digital qualities" would those be? The preamp of a Vyper is analog. They have digital effects but the modeling isn't part of that. If you don't turn on the effects, it's all analog.

Try tapping the tubes and see if you can hear it through the speakers. If you do change it.
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#30
The 5150 III 50 watter is dope, it should certainly do 'Tallica. If you have tried different cables and guitars, it makes me think that it's either tubes, an interference/dirty power problem, or something with you settings is just inherently noisy. I'm assuming you aren't playing right in front of the amp? That'd do it too...

In any case, I think you would be happy with EVH, and the matching cab sounds really good too.
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#31
Thanks for all of the advice guys! This was my first post on UG so it's nice to see how helpful it is.
#33
The 5150iii it will go as heavy as you want and has a nice clean channel. A good tube in v5 (half of the clean channel) i have a mullard and in the phase I have a sovtek 12ax7lps it has less floor noise than the JJ.
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#34
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This... I'm thinking the JSX (as mentioned) or the 5150 III... Hell, a Carvin Legacy would be good too, or even the V3


Can definitely +1 the Legacy. Not so sure about the V3, but it's definitely worth checking out.

And I reiterate: JSX. For the tones you want I would take it over a Mesa or EVH in a heartbeat. It was designed with Satriani, after all (and the Legacy was designed with Vai). The Legacy to my ears doesn't have that crazy sweet compression the JSX has that makes it so fluid and smooth. But I haven't spent any real amount of time with one either (opposed to having actually owned the JSX).
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#35
Turn the gain down. There's no point in cranking the gain (and you usually need less gain than you think). Sounding heavy is not all about having lots of gain. Try to find the spot when you don't sound "heavy enough" any more and then turn the gain up just a bit. You don't need more gain than that. Because after that it just adds mud to your sound.

Also, don't stand too close to your amp.
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Have you guys even played a Roadster? I mean, I LOVE mine... but it's completely the wrong tone for Paul Gilbert, Satriani, Iron Maiden, Guns 'N Roses, etc...


This is SO true. I had a Roadster for 2 years and while I loved it, I really wouldn't use it for any of what you're doing.

The first amp that came to my mind was the Mark V. It'll do practically anything if you've got the patience to learn to dial it in right.

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#38
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I'd say the Mesa is a good bit more versatile, but the 5150 III is definitely more the sound you want for Paul Gilbert. The Roadster is looser and bigger sounding, not the Gilbert sound at all.


I figured someone had to post this before I did, not surprised at all it was MatrixClaw. Funny enough I recently A/B'ed these two amps. Through the same cab these amps can be dialed in to sound fairly similar but for Pablo type of stuff I'd lean toward the 5150. You could always run the Roadster with Diodes but it's not really voiced for that very articulate light-mid gain bite that you'd hear from Pablo.
#39
Nice playing brother!

I'm thinking the 5150III would be pretty awesome for you, based on the sound you have dialed on the Vypyr
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