#1
So i recently came to the conclusion that tape delay sounds amazing and i wanna get one. Are any of you big on that and if so can you recommend something thats not gonna cut my wallet in half but will still be reliable and operating a decade from now. Thanks!
#2
Don't get a real tape delay just get a Strymon El Capistan.

I actually A/B'd one against one of those $1000 Fulltone tape echos and I thought the Strymon actually sounded slightly better.
#3
Depends what's your budget.
I'd get a quadraverb 2 anyway, that sound better than any pedal sized fx processor I've heard.
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I owned an original Echoplex and a Roland Space Echo tape delay many years ago. They are both noisy, require lots of maintenance, and pretty damned unreliable compared with a modern DD that is dead quiet and simply does it better. YMMV
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So i recently came to the conclusion that tape delay sounds amazing and i wanna get one. Are any of you big on that and if so can you recommend something thats not gonna cut my wallet in half but will still be reliable and operating a decade from now. Thanks!


let's hear from someone who has owned them

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I owned an original Echoplex and a Roland Space Echo tape delay many years ago. They are both noisy, require lots of maintenance, and pretty damned unreliable compared with a modern DD that is dead quiet and simply does it better. YMMV


all real tape delays are expensive, noisy, and prone to failure. it's a dead technology that is only getting revived in the uber high end market.

fulltone remade the echoplex

http://www.buyanalogman.com/Fulltone_Tube_Tape_Echo_p/fulltonette.htm

it only costs about 1300 dollars. i am sure it will be a bit more robust, but i still wouldn't bother with it unless you know how to maintain tape echo units.

+1 on buying a digital/DSP reproduction unit like a strymon. they even simulate tape wear and flutter, so you can have the tone of a dysfunctional unit without having to worry about repairing it.
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#6
Because the Roland got mentioned...

Consider the Boss RE-20 Space Echo, which was designed to emulate it. (I have one.)

http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=896

They're built like tanks, dependable, and- while not cheap- are common enough that good used/store demo ones can be found for reasonable prices.

Also consider the Catalinbread Echorec, designed to emulate the Binson Echorec. (I want one.)

http://www.catalinbread.com/echorec-features

If those are too rich for your blood, track down a Line6 Echo Park. Really pretty decent for the price- typically @$150 new, but can be found as cheaply as $75 if you catch a sale. (I have one.)

http://line6.com/tonecore/echoPark.html
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#7
Yea, they're all noisy. I had an original RE-301, and it sounded great, but **** maintenance sucks and repairs are difficult and expensive because of parts scarcity. The Fulltone is probably the only exception since Fuller still makes parts, but initial outlay is about double what you'd pay for an original Echoplex.

The El Capistan is a great simulator. It doesn't give you the same tone coloring preamp effects as the real deal though. For that, you'd want another pedal, like the EP-Pre, to run in front. Or there's the Catalinbread Belle Epoch, which is an Echoplex sim with the preamp built in.
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#8
Forgot the Belle Epoch- another good option under $200.

There is also the workhorse MXR Carbon Copy.

http://www.jimdunlop.com/product/m169-carbon-copy-analog-delay

Red Witch offers the Titan (powerful but pricey; I own one) and the Violetta (tiny and inexpensive).

http://www.redwitchpedals.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9&Itemid=18

http://www.redwitchpedals.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=33&Itemid=52
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#10
Also, the TC Electronic Flashback has a tape delay option as well and in my opinion it sounds great... just like all of the about 2000 options this pedal has.
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Check out this www.orbitelectronix.com/products.htm

The Psychoplex seems right up your alley
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#12
Is real delay actually better than digital? Or is it just one of those things that people desire because it's old? Like people who say vinyl sounds better than CD?
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Is real delay actually better than digital? Or is it just one of those things that people desire because it's old? Like people who say vinyl sounds better than CD?

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#14
Anyone use the empress tape delay here? Its a new pedal it seems(2012) but sounds legit. Price aint bad either(250).
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Is real delay actually better than digital? Or is it just one of those things that people desire because it's old? Like people who say vinyl sounds better than CD?


terms like that are biased.

there is no 'real' delay, delay is defined by how it's produced and there is very good reasons why delay technology has changed. digital delay provides longer delay than previous formats, recreates the original signal more faithfully and is less noisy than previous formats.

room/chamber echo/reverb: they used to run speakers out to a echoey room (a bathroom for example, but there was also specially designed echo chambers) and pipe sound into the room. they would set up a mic in the room and pipe it back to the board and blend it with the original signal. i guess this would be considered 'real echo/delay'

magnetic tape delay: one of the first delays, basically it was a tape machine with multiple playback heads. you adjusted the position of the playback head to control length of delay, multiple additional playback heads could enable certain multiple repeat effects.

magnetic oil: these are obscure, but there were pedals with rotating drums attached. the drum passed through an oil bath and a signal was encoded into the oil that covered the surface of the drum. the signal was read an reproduced and then a wiper would wipe the drum clean before it went back into the bath. i have only run across one of these units ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f1tXSNcUw8

bucket brigade: a string of capacitors that pass the signal along and will play back at specific intervals, i think these were the first non-mechanical delays. this is the type of delay usually referred to when someone mentions 'analog delay'.

sampling/DSP: the signal is sampled and converted to a digital signal then stored in digital memory and played back at specific intervals. this is the least colorful sounding and most accurate of the delays (which may be good or bad depending on desired effect) but it is also easy to use digital signal processing (DSP) to emulate other older delays.

all of these are delay, maybe the echo chamber/room style delay is the most legit i think the magnetic oil ones are the Real Delays, cuz they are the most obscure and rare to find
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magnetic oil: these are obscure, but there were pedals with rotating drums attached. the drum passed through an oil bath and a signal was encoded into the oil that covered the surface of the drum. the signal was read an reproduced and then a wiper would wipe the drum clean before it went back into the bath. i have only run across one of these units ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f1tXSNcUw8

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#17
I'll second the Boss Space Echo. Very solid delay pedal that doesn't seem to get enough attention. If I had the extra space on my board, I would have bought one this weekend.

One of the delays I'm running is the TC Electronic Flashback. The Tape delay is easily my favorite setting on the pedal with the 2290 being a very close second. You won't have the extra tweaking of the Space Echo, but a good one to check out.