#1
Hello everyone! I have been playing on my rig that i put together and i have been having some trouble. I just cant seam to get a good tone without making it muddy.

I am playing on a peavey ultra 1X12 with a WSG Vet speaker and i have changed out the preamps. I have my ESP EC-1000 going through a bad monkey OD into a Boss noise suppressor into the front of my amp. i also have an equalizer and a chorus in the effects loop.

I have tried to use just the amp but my pulm mutes just sound weak and it doesnt sound as heavy and punchy as i would like. i have also tried using just my OD with the level at amount noon and the gain completly off which results in a sound with highs that really hurt my ears. I have also tried to use the my EQ pedal to get rid of some mids and add a little more base and that doesnt sound good either.

What do you guys think? I am looking for a 80s metal tone like Metallica very punchy but not pushing the treble so it hurts my ears to play. What can i do with what i have to get a good metal tone!!

THANKS!
Last edited by ENISA at May 9, 2014,
#2
Your amp is capable of those tones by itself.

what EQ settings on the amp are you using?
What is the presence set at (if the amp has one)?
Have you changed the power tubes yet?

I know you bought the Vet 30 from others and my recommendation, but you may prefer a darker speaker. The Vet 30 is a good solid choice for that amp though and should still sound great.
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Last edited by Robbgnarly at May 9, 2014,
#3
Well, the only eq knobs that od pedal has is a low and high. I would start simple. Take the equalizer and chorus out of the loop for a minute and the od pedal. Put your amp on clean and eq it to have a nice rich clean clear sound. Then turn you od pedal on and turn up the gain. Set the level. Then adjust the high and low to it. You might need some new pickups. My guitar sounded muddy when i had the stock pickups in. But you can then turn your equalizer on, set that, then the chorus effect. Good luck
#4
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what EQ settings on the amp are you using?

Gain-6 Base-6 to 7 Mid- 1 High-7 to 8

Have you changed the power tubes yet?

I have not changed my power tubes yet just the preamps



Also I Just unplugged the imput and output for the effects loop and it seamed to make the sound a lot stronger. Im not sure if that might just be a problem with my amp or?

My pickups right on my guitar are good i have EMG 60 in the neck and 81 in the bridge
#5
lol

Your mids are way too low and your treble is way too high. Bass is probably too high as well, as is the gain. Start with everything at noon and work from there. Don't scoop all your mids and for the love of god if you don't like bright sounds, don't turn your treble so high up.
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#6
^ yeah

on the bad monkey try the bass on 12 o'clock, treble on ~2 o'clock, drive at 0 and level on full.
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#7
More mids less treble and gain
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#8
I have a very simple tip: set your knobs at noon, then work your way from there WITH YOUR EARS.

And mainly, when adjusting bass, emphasize the bottom 2 strings; when adjusting mids, emphasize the middle 2 strings; and when adjusting treble, emphasize the top 2 strings. It'll make the difference in tone more apparent.
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Also I Just unplugged the imput and output for the effects loop and it seamed to make the sound a lot stronger. Im not sure if that might just be a problem with my amp or?

My pickups right on my guitar are good i have EMG 60 in the neck and 81 in the bridge

If anything your mids should be the highest setting. That's where most of the punchy, in your face metal tone tends to come from. Also, the human ear hears mids the best. So, good tone = more mids.
#10
i always started with

mid-12 o clock
bass 1 or 2 o clock
treb 3 or 4 o clock

then just adjusted accordingly.

gain and such just mess around with
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Ultras are very sensitive to tubes and tube type/brand.
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#12
i like turning the gain down to a level that is below what i really want, then setting the eq, playing a variety of material with different techniques to make sure i'm not choosing settings that only sound good for a particular thing. then after i'm happy with the eq, i slowly turn the gain back up to the level of METAL!!! i want.
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If anything your mids should be the highest setting. That's where most of the punchy, in your face metal tone tends to come from. Also, the human ear hears mids the best. So, good tone = more mids.


I dunno. I'd say it depends on the amp. Marshalls are pretty middy (and the ultra is a hotrodded JCM800, far as i'm aware- or is it the vtm that is? or both? ), and cranking the mids on a middy amp can just lead to honk city, especially if you're using middy speakers like vintage 30s (wgs vet 30 is a glorified v30, far as i'm aware) and/or are using a tubescreamer-style boost pedal which is also almost all mids, and a bad monkey is more or less a glorified tubescreamer.

Don't get me wrong, setting your mids to zero (or close to zero) probably isn't the best plan... but that doesn't mean you have to lurch to the other extreme, either.

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Watch these two videos, they're great for learning how to properly dial in a great tone:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GRERK4PJpI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYtXBUS_kwY
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#15
Try closing off the back of the cab if it's open back. Or push it against the wall or something.

That might help with the punch and cut down on some of the highs you're perceiving.

If not, try picking up a closed back 2x12 cab somewhere and get another speaker to go in it and run your combo head to it. 2x12 is always better for punch and may help with your treble problem.

I don't know how much i would trust the guy in those videos... I didn't watch those particular ones but i've seen others of his where he sounds like a total nub with god awful tone/playing and not even close to being in tune.
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I don't know how much i would trust the guy in those videos... I didn't watch those particular ones but i've seen others of his where he sounds like a total nub with god awful tone/playing and not even close to being in tune.

I didn't see any other of his videos, but in these two he gives good advice. You should've watched them before putting them into question.
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I didn't see any other of his videos, but in these two he gives good advice. You should've watched them before putting them into question.

Must be the Bugera.

But seriously, I agree that his tone is kind of ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh for some videos. Most of his videos are useful, minus when he cuts a guitar nut. He suggests picking at it and continuing to chisel the nut out of spec because its what he called "the more musical thing to do". Pretty sure I could hear Leo turning in his grave with that one.
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#18
That how to get a metal tone video he put up I've seen before but I watched it again and I learned something new. Turning down the volume pot on your guitar. I am experimenting with that and I'm getting really good tones.
#19
I always use the settings of 7.5 bass, 6 mids, 7 treble that creates the illusion of scooped mids and still has some definition, obviously you roll down the bass when your playing with a bass player. As for your bad monkey put the gain at no higher then 9 o'clock, crank the volume and eq to taste. Wait volume knobs have settings besides 0 and 11
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#20
Thanks guy for all of the wonderful tips and suggestions. I backed off the gain tremble and also backed off the base a little. i also backed off on the guitar volume and tone from like 10 to 8 on both and that cleaned stuff up a bit. i then added the OD to that and it gave me a really nice smooth tone with more punch with the mids which i boosted to about 4. really appreciate all the advice.