#1
I'm a huge fan of all styles of metal, sludgy doom, tight thrash and power metal, and saturated black metal.
My question is, is there an amp that is good for all these styles.

Requirements
At least 2 channels, one of them being a really good clean channel (my 6505 is frustrating in this department).
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So far I've looked at the Engl Powerball II (haven't had the chance to try one though)
The Diezel VH4 will do all this but it's far out of my price range.
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#2
Have you looked at Mesa Boogie amps? A Dual Rectifier or Mark IV would suit you nicely. Both have great cleans and very versatile distortion.
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#3
^+1 look at Splawn amps also
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Line 6 Spider IV

I mean the thing is so fuuuucking brutal. Also, it's tubier than any other SS amp on the market. All of the pros use them but they don't tell anyone about this secret.

Ask anyone on here, they'll tell you how magnificent it is. Especially at higher volumes. Problem is, no one here will recommend it because they're following the same path as their idols. Seriously, Lil Wayne uses it! LIL WAYNE(OMG)! There's a good reason for that, too. He knows what he's doing better than anyone else.


But seriously, Mesa seems like a good option for you.
#6
Mesa Mark IV, Roadster, Recto, or a Splawn Nitro
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#7
Hell an old DSL100 would work great
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#8
+1 on the old DSLs. A lot of metal bands from any metal genre use/used Marshalls.
#9
This might not apply to you, but I've gone from a thrash sound with a borrowed jcm800 to a more death sound with a valvestate 8100 (both as in the band Death as in the metal genre, albeit the old school variant) to an Orange Micro Terror. I know the 8100 gets quite some criticism, quite a bit of it being fair criticism (It really has the tone some people want, and not the tone at all most people want). The Orange Micro Terror is the smallest Orange on the market, with just 20w of power and a single valve in the pre-amp (and it being the size of a toy makes it laughable and handy). I can't wait to get a decent Orange someday, however, this tiny piece of equipment + my Boss HM-2 gives me a decent and unique thrash sound (maybe a bit too filthy for the super tight thrash) with my Jackson dk2m on the bridge pickup. And with the neck pickup I get some of the sleaziest slow rattling doom sounds possible (think Electric Wizard). And I've found it to be loud enough for rehearsals with a drummer going berserk and a bassist pounding his strings like an orangutan on speed, and shows with a PA.

All of that aside, the jcm800 would be the most versatile out of all amps I know of. Sorry for the whole Orange MT sales pitch. I've seen the usual thrash bands use them, I've seen some doom bands use them. I suspect more doom guitarists would use em if Orange ever went bust. And they all get a very good sound in both genres, and the jcm800 is usable in anything from sped up CGI video clip power metal to ridiculous blood regurgitating black metal. I would look into pedals as well. Some tweaking and a Ibanez Tubescreamer or a Boss FZ-2 really shows how versatile this amp can be (getting all sorts of sounds from the Tubescreamer, and a real doom sound with the FZ-2, and that just are two pedals). I've always found an Engl to be too "Very-high-gain-we've-got-triggers-on-all-the-drum-stuff-modern-melo-death-metal-slaaayer". Yes, I do know these are decent amps, and I've seen bands use Engl amps, and I really enjoyed their music and/or guitar sound, it's just my not so humble opinion.
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#10
You have a 6505? Try putting a lower gain preamp tube in position #1. A 12AT7/5751 will give you less gain so your clean channel will be cleaner. However, your lead channel will lose some gain but the 6505 has enough head room you'll just have to raise the gain on that side. Just a suggestion that will cost you like $17 for a quality preamp tube.
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#11
If you like your 6505 consider XXX or 3120. 3 channels and a clean channel thats actually not utter shit.
It definetly gets the uber tight Thrash (just ask Gary Holt of Exodus, or listen the Tempo Of The Damned album) and saturated black metal covered but I am not sure if its a good amp for loose, sludgy doom.

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#13
Quote by classicrocker01
Mesa Mark IV, Roadster, Recto, or a Splawn Nitro


i have a MKIV and a Nitro (KT88) i don't think either would deliver that much versatility without pedals

the MKIV does really open up with some OD's. i run my second channel boosted hard with a timmy, and a Zendrive for the lead channel to sweeten and really boost it up. then i get a good clean, really tight rhythm and a really smooth heavey and highly melodic lead.

the nitro is a hell of an amp, but i don't think it would suit anything,

i have the Fryette Sig:X and that does really cover some ground. it can do about anything.

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plus as said look into mesa.
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#14
As a stepping stone probably I'd say Marshall JCM800 or DSL2000 and you can build from there with overdrive/distortion units. You can also get a multi channel one that can do everything for crazy big $$$ like the VHT/Fryette Sig 6.
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Quote by MaaZeus
If you like your 6505 consider XXX or 3120. 3 channels and a clean channel thats actually not utter shit.
It definetly gets the uber tight Thrash (just ask Gary Holt of Exodus, or listen the Tempo Of The Damned album) and saturated black metal covered but I am not sure if its a good amp for loose, sludgy doom.



Interesting...may try this with mine.
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#18
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Gary used the middle (crunch) channel with TS808 to get his sound (saw him live), the XXX lead channel is utter sh*t & fizz.

I had a Bugera 333 and I agree, the lead channel sucks. Way to compressed and it would get very undefined very quickly if the gain was over 11 o'clock.
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I had a Bugera 333 and I agree, the lead channel sucks. Way to compressed and it would get very undefined very quickly if the gain was over 11 o'clock.


i am not familiar with the Bugera, but assuming it is extremely similar to the XXX in tone (well that is what it was deigned as), i agree that the lead channel isn't its strong suit. pretty shitty IMO.

the JSX IMO is far superior in most (if for not near every way) ways. more musical sounding IMO. the jsx is more versatile and just kind of better all around. it does sound a little different due to different power tubes.
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#20
Peavey 5150 II/6505+
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#22
Quote by Offworld92
Peavey 5150 II/6505+
Peavey JSX/XXX II
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Orange TH100 (you may like this one a lot)


i am not sure if i would put it in order that way. 5150's have a shit ton of gain, relatively poor cleans. and it is nice and tight with a boost, but not sludgy. i owned one for a short while.

i would put mesa on there, but if you want something either a roadster or a Trem-o-verb. i love mine paid like under $700 with new power tubes. you get two channels, and four modes, basically two channels, vintage high gain/clean and on the other a modern gain/blues. the vintage channel is great i like it better for chugging.

BUT you won't get it really tight.

roadster would probably be better (i haven't played one, but i have liked what i have heard on demos.

you really have to play with the oranges. some people love them and some not as much. i like the rockerverb 50mkII over the 100 watt. however i prefer the thunderverbs.

but for less than the price of a roadster, i got a mKIV and the aforementioned trem-o-verb. $780 for the MKIV ~$700 for the trem-o-verb.

really gives what you would need from mesa. mainly mesa has two amps the rectifiers and the marks, just with different variants.
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#23
Quote by Robbgnarly
I had a Bugera 333 and I agree, the lead channel sucks. Way to compressed and it would get very undefined very quickly if the gain was over 11 o'clock.



Yeah, but TS wants the amp also being capable of very saturated black metal and such. The way I see it the amp fits the bill in every regard. Crunch channel is also capable of metal with or without boost and should be used for everything sensible but its nice to have the insanity switch available if needed...

Something JSX MIGHT lack because if I have understood correctly the Lead channel on that is actually Crunch channel from XXX (correct me if I am wrong) and Clean and Crunch channels are based on Classic 30.

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#24
Quote by MaaZeus
Yeah, but TS wants the amp also being capable of very saturated black metal and such. The way I see it the amp fits the bill in every regard. Crunch channel is also capable of metal with or without boost and should be used for everything sensible but its nice to have the insanity switch available if needed...

Something JSX MIGHT lack because if I have understood correctly the Lead channel on that is actually Crunch channel from XXX (correct me if I am wrong) and Clean and Crunch channels are based on Classic 30.

I can see the XXX being able to do Black metal

The JSX is basically a XXX with the classic clean channel. the same crunch channel and the JSX has a more refined lead channel, and the fat switches. But they are very similar
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