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#1
Just wanted to know your take on that.
What distinguishes Rock from Hard Rock from Metal from Hardcore.
It is very subjective and I don't want to start a fight.

My take would be the Distortion presence kind of Put Hard Rock
on the Table but then when does it become Metal ?
#3
Heaviness, rhythm, atmosphere, overall sound.
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#4
it has always been an "i know it when i hear it" type of thing for me...anything more specific than that and you'll run into counterexamples
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#6
The riffs give away metal to me.

And that's part of the reason me (and true metalheads) disagree that Nu-metal is a part of the metal movement. Nu-metal is vocals, drums, bass, very little (and hard to hear) guitar, and a bunch of studio stuff.

Now I don't want to start an internet fight over metal. This is just my opinion. If you don't like my opinion, screw you. K?
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#7
Iron and Steel.

So much metal!!!!!!
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#8
Metal tends to lose electrones whereas non-metal tends to accept electrones

Riff structure, distortion, lack of what is known as a hardcore breakdown...

Seriously, it's hard to describe. The one thing all metal has in common is the instruments and most prominently distorted guitars.
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#11
If you want to drive 20 mph over the speed limit to it it's rock.
If you want to drive with gloves made of steel and a cigar in your mouth with a mean look to it it's hard rock.
If you want to walk away from an explosion you set off slowly or walk towards the place where you're going to make an explosion to it it's metal.

Any other explanation is wrong...
#12
intensity
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#15
Having a poorly groomed beard.
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#17
.......satan

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#19
if you are a false don't entry
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#21
Hairy arms.
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If you want to walk away from an explosion you set off slowly or walk towards the place where you're going to make an explosion to it it's metal.


I dunno, this sounds like something a radio rock band of the last decade would do in a music video.
#25
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Did you get my Ghaal reference?

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#27
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Composition.


So.. this is the only correct answer in this thread so far. It's the reason that a softer song by a metal band can still be metal, while a hard rock song that's faster, more aggressive, and tonally heavier is still not metal.
#31
It's hard for me to say "composition" since I don't consider acoustic covers of metal songs, "metal."

Likewise, I'd say the difference in arrangement between a Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Cream, and Led Zeppelin song to be negligible.

Furthermore, if we look at say, "Room A Thousand Years Wide" or "Gun" by Soundgarden, it'd be very difficult for me to say that those songs have typical metal arrangements, but if either appeared on a Sabbath album they wouldn't seem out of place. Similarly, if they'd simply showed up on Metallica's "Black Album" I think they'd fit right in. However, Soundgarden isn't typically considered a metal band, nor are Badmotorfinger or Loud Love considered "metal" albums.

Also if we look at the composition aesthetic of And Justice for All or Time Does Not Heal vs A New Era of Corruption or Incipit Satan, we'll see quite divergent models in place, which each yielding the "metal" sound. Because of this, I think it's safe to say, it isn't just composition.

Everything is contextual, and, "you'll know it when you hear it" seems closer to what I'd say.
#34
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It's hard for me to say "composition" since I don't consider acoustic covers of metal songs, "metal."

Likewise, I'd say the difference in arrangement between a Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Cream, and Led Zeppelin song to be negligible.

Furthermore, if we look at say, "Room A Thousand Years Wide" or "Gun" by Soundgarden, it'd be very difficult for me to say that those songs have typical metal arrangements, but if either appeared on a Sabbath album they wouldn't seem out of place. Similarly, if they'd simply showed up on Metallica's "Black Album" I think they'd fit right in. However, Soundgarden isn't typically considered a metal band, nor are Badmotorfinger or Loud Love considered "metal" albums.

Also if we look at the composition aesthetic of And Justice for All or Time Does Not Heal vs A New Era of Corruption or Incipit Satan, we'll see quite divergent models in place, which each yielding the "metal" sound. Because of this, I think it's safe to say, it isn't just composition.

Everything is contextual, and, "you'll know it when you hear it" seems closer to what I'd say.
Composition is more than what notes/chords you play.


Also, dicks. Big dicks = metal. That's why my dick is huge. I'm THAT metal.
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Also, dicks. Big dicks = metal. That's why my dick is huge. I'm THAT metal.


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#39
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... Not sure if adding another layer to the joke, or doesn't realize that 'latent' is a word, and one that makes perfect sense in that context.
#40
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Composition is more than what notes/chords you play.



Exactly. Listen to Rodrigo & Gabriela cover Orion. It's all acoustic, and still definitely metal. While Three Days Grace, for instance, no matter how much distortion they put on their guitars, will never be metal.
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