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Hi guys. I was looking into getting an amp head and cab for a half stack but I'm terribly indecisive.

At first I was looking at getting the "Blackstar Series 1 - 1046L6 Head + 412A Cab Stack" The speaker in the cab are Celestion vintage 30 12" speakers. (This is $3,299 for the combo.)

After reading into what other people had said here over time, a lot of people suggested the Peavey 6505 amp head with a bunch of cab combinations, one cab that I thought looked and sounded pretty good with the 6505 was the Marshall 1960B cab. (Peavey 6505 is $1,999 here in store, or about $1,050 eBay. The 6505+ is $1,499 in store, or about $999 on eBay. Marshall 1960B is hard to find in stores here, but I did find one that sells for $1,050 on eBay, the 1960A is $948 in store.)

Other people I've seen suggest a Laney ironheart amp head. (which is about $1,000)


I'm open to more suggestions too. I just want the best for the money I'm going to pay.


I'm from Australia so things are a little more expensive here and the excuse I've heard places give is the fact they have to pay a lot of imports so the price jumps.


I'm willing to pay, but not pay as much as for something like a meas/boogie just yet as it's about $4000 here roughly for just a head or just a cab.

I play metal/hardcore, enjoy bands such as Parkway drive, Remembering never, I Killed The Prom Queen, Converge. For a few examples.


TL;DR: What amp head/cab combo is best for metal/hardcore?
#2
5150/6505 or 5150 II/6505+ with any decent cab made out of proper wood with Vintage 30 speakers.

5150 III 50 watt will do it, too.
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#3
6505/5150 is pretty much the go to answer. I would suggest looking at Mesa Rectos, pretty much anything by Engl, and JSX too. They'll all be great, so you should see if one sticks out to you.
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#4
get a used 6505+ and a 1960BV or and Orange PPC412 (I'd go with the Orange personally)

If you can get a Mesa Recto 412 that would be awesome
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#5
Ironhearts are good, man.
Dunno about the cabs. Laney cabs are notoriously shite but I have only heard an Ironheart through greenbacks. They say "Custom designed HH drivers" and that scares me. "Custom designed" is usually code for, "made cheap and nasty just for us". I'd want to hear them against say a 1960, a PPC412 etc. Laney are strange, they make good heads and shit cabs (well, cabs loaded with shit speakers anyway) and they always have. I'd be wary

But the heads are good for tight brutal metal. It would be a fine choice.
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Quote by Robbgnarly
get a used 6505+ and a 1960BV or and Orange PPC412 (I'd go with the Orange personally)

If you can get a Mesa Recto 412 that would be awesome
yeah that's it.
Wait, that plus a tube screamer type pedal.
Yeah that's it now.
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5150/6505 or 5150 II/6505+ with any decent cab made out of proper wood with Vintage 30 speakers.

5150 III 50 watt will do it, too.


Any suggestions to cabs specifically then?


Quote by Robbgnarly
get a used 6505+ and a 1960BV or and Orange PPC412 (I'd go with the Orange personally)

If you can get a Mesa Recto 412 that would be awesome


Whats the difference between a 1960B and a 1960BV?


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Ironhearts are good, man.
Dunno about the cabs. Laney cabs are notoriously shite but I have only heard an Ironheart through greenbacks. They say "Custom designed HH drivers" and that scares me. "Custom designed" is usually code for, "made cheap and nasty just for us". I'd want to hear them against say a 1960, a PPC412 etc. Laney are strange, they make good heads and shit cabs (well, cabs loaded with shit speakers anyway) and they always have. I'd be wary

But the heads are good for tight brutal metal. It would be a fine choice.


Yeah I've heard the laney cabs aren't that great quality, part of the reason I found it odd when reading people would suggest them for amp heads.


Do you guys think a mesa boogie 4x12 slanted rectifier cab with a 6505 would be decent? I just read the paper and saw it advertised because the guy is moving away apparently. Selling for $1,500 which feels very cheap to me.
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Do you guys think a mesa boogie 4x12 slanted rectifier cab with a 6505 would be decent? I just read the paper and saw it advertised because the guy is moving away apparently. Selling for $1,500 which feels very cheap to me.


http://www.guitarcenter.com/Mesa-Boogie-Used--Mesa-Boogie--Rectifier-4X12-280W-Slant--Black-Guitar-Cabinet-110122621-i3759907.gc

http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-PEAVEY-6505--120W-AMP-HEAD-W-FS-110096793-i3735884.gc

Doesn't seem that cheap...
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"We're sorry, but the product that you are searching for is sold out at this time, or is no longer available. For more information please contact customer service."

What price did it say?


Are you from Australia, or?

Because things are a lot more expensive here whenever I go looking. I looked on eBay and the exact same mesa boogie cab with no amp head was selling for $900 on eBay second hand. The 6505 sells for about $1050 on eBay and $1500 in store.


The thing that put me kind of off too, is the fact it's slanted.


I also have thought about buying this, selling the cab to buy a cab I want. But I'm not sure.
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#10
Yes, a mesa boogie 4x12 slanted rectifier cab with a 6505 would be more than decent.
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#11
Sorry, my mistake. I forgot about you being from Australia. Anyway, it was $400 for the cab and $700 for the head.
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#12
Quote by Cathbard
Yes, a mesa boogie 4x12 slanted rectifier cab with a 6505 would be more than decent.


It would be a little less on the low ends, and a little more highs though wouldn't it? Or do I have this wrong?
#13
Quote by tas38
Sorry, my mistake. I forgot about you being from Australia. Anyway, it was $400 for the cab and $700 for the head.


It's all good. It's actually a shame how often I see gear so cheap in the US, and it's more than double here for some reason.
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Quote by Weaksaux
Do you guys think a mesa boogie 4x12 slanted rectifier cab with a 6505 would be decent? I just read the paper and saw it advertised because the guy is moving away apparently. Selling for $1,500 which feels very cheap to me.
I'd get the cab and find myself a 6505+.
If you don't mind the shared EQ and the two inputs, get both.
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Quote by Weaksaux
It would be a little less on the low ends, and a little more highs though wouldn't it? Or do I have this wrong?
Nothing in it, tonewise. The slant cab makes up for any imagined deficiencies by being easier to hear yourself. I hate straight cabs, you don't have ears in your knees. Straight cabs are to sit other cabs on. With only one cab, slants rule.
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#16
Quote by Cathbard
Nothing in it, tonewise. The slant cab makes up for any imagined deficiencies by being easier to hear yourself. I hate straight cabs, you don't have ears in your knees. Straight cabs are to sit other cabs on. With only one cab, slants rule.


It just feels like every time I've listened to a straight cab whether it be on YouTube or in real life they always sound punchy, and when I hear a slanted cab its always sounded more airy, or brighter. Even when using the same amp head with the same settings... Why is this?

Also I've noticed that every time Parkway Drive have played live at a medium sized venue they only use straight half stack cabs. It was that way when I first saw them after the first album release back in 2006, and it's at medium sized events they still seem to do this when I saw them a year ago. Hm. Any reason to this you think?

Although at huge venues and events they use a full stack with straight and slanted, usually.
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They only mike up one speaker, man. You aren't hearing what's coming off the cab, you're hearing one speaker miked up into the PA. You don't know how he's monitoring it either. Only one cab is probably connected and there may be a shitload of guitar in his foldback monitor. There's no way to tell what is actually going on unless you are up on the stage at the time.
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#18
Quote by Cathbard
They only mike up one speaker, man. You aren't hearing what's coming off the cab, you're hearing one speaker miked up into the PA. You don't know how he's monitoring it either. Only one cab is probably connected and there may be a shitload of guitar in his foldback monitor. There's no way to tell what is actually going on unless you are up on the stage at the time.



Back in 2006 though I even attended a backyard show with them and they had no PA, it was just a simple set up.

But I do get what you mean. I used to be sound/light crew for a couple of events when it comes to PA/EQ (music/speeches/theatre).
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#19
It's a 6505, it's going to be punchy whether it's a straight or a slant - but a slant means less need for guitar in your wedge. That's gotta be a good thing, no?
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Quote by Cathbard
It's a 6505, it's going to be punchy whether it's a straight or a slant - but a slant means less need for guitar in your wedge. That's gotta be a good thing, no?


I guess, yeah.


I was thinking; seeing as you are from Australia too, where do you normally look for equipment or where would you recommend someone to look when it comes to amps/cabs/guitars and everything relevant. Because as I said to another guy in the thread, everything that is sold here is usually more than half that price in the US and I'm not sure if there is somewhere better I should be looking. I usually look at eBay, Musos, or GumTree. Any tips?
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I have been using a straight cab regularly (a house cab) after years of using a slant and I ****ing hate it. The only time I can hear it properly is if I'm on my knees. I end up needing some guitar put through my wedge - and I play loud. The sound guy rarely needs to put me through FoH but I need it in my wedge. It's preposterous. The crowd can hear it better than me and I'm standing right in front of it.
Like I said, you don't have ears in your knees.


Ebay and gumtree are pretty good places to start. I bought my RM100 new through a shop for a really good price because I gig at his venue regularly. Contacts in the industry certainly helps.
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#22
Quote by Cathbard
I have been using a straight cab regularly (a house cab) after years of using a slant and I ****ing hate it. The only time I can hear it properly is if I'm on my knees. I end up needing some guitar put through my wedge - and I play loud. The sound guy rarely needs to put me through FoH but I need it in my wedge. It's preposterous. The crowd can hear it better than me and I'm standing right in front of it.
Like I said, you don't have ears in your knees.


Ebay and gumtree are pretty good places to start. I bought my RM100 new through a shop for a really good price because I gig at his venue regularly. Contacts in the industry certainly helps.



Ahh. Yeah.


And yeah, I used to have a contacts because the girl I used to dates uncle was a blackstar rep, unfortunately I'm sure his offer of "If you ever want anything for a really good price just speak to me about it!" expired when the relationship did. Ha.

Oh, and mentioning Blackstar what do you think about their amps/cabs?
I've never really seen many people comment on it here before in all the time I've lurked.
#23
I wouldn't give Blackstar the steam off my shit.
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I wouldn't give Blackstar the steam off my shit.



Hahah why? I thought the series 1 6L6 amp head sounded half decent.

Bad experiences?
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No, they are an unethical, lying bunch of shitbags. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could spit a large rat.
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#26
^ well the series one amps aren't that bad though
But I don't think they would do for metalcore, they're more hard/heavy-rock-ish.
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The Series One could be the best amp on earth and I still wouldn't give Blackstar any money for it. I might grab one if it was used so I knew the money wouldn't be actually go to Blackstar but like I said, "steam off my shit" and all that.
**** 'em.
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The Series One could be the best amp on earth and I still wouldn't give Blackstar any money for it. I might grab one if it was used so I knew the money wouldn't be actually go to Blackstar but like I said, "steam off my shit" and all that.
**** 'em.


hahaha.
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Quote by Spambot_2
^ well the series one amps aren't that bad though
But I don't think they would do for metalcore, they're more hard/heavy-rock-ish.


Ahh alright. I just thought they were pretty versatile but yeah.
#30
Well the good news is I grabbed the 4x12 mesa rectifier and the bad news is the head was already sold separately. Dang.
#31

Those things are good with any amp really. You're gonna love it.
An Ironheart on top of that is still a viable option. Would be a sensational combination.
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#32
Ended up finding a 6505 on sale at a music store for $900 and grabbed it

Sounds great.

Thanks for all your help guys!
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Quote by Weaksaux
Ended up finding a 6505 on sale at a music store for $900 and grabbed it

Sounds great.

Thanks for all your help guys!

Be sure to boost the **** out of it with an OD.
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Cathbard, is that in regards to their lying about some amps being 'tube' while they're tube enhanced?

Yes. I believe the Blackstar PR/community/demo guy refers to the HT amps as "all-tube" which is a giant load of stinky green horse shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enaYgJesWeM

Well that didn't take long to find.
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#37
Allllll vaalllveee!



I'm sorry for hijacking you, Mr. Thread.
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Cathbard, is that in regards to their lying about some amps being 'tube' while they're tube enhanced?
Yeah, and when somebody from here emailed them about it, one of their engineers lied through his teeth in his reply. Blatant, bald face lies. Here we are looking at the schematic and he's trying to tell us that there is no diode clipping in a HT5. Seriously, **** off. We know a tubescreamer circuit when we are looking at it.
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#39
But that's pregain, cath
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#40
Pick up an ISP Technologies Vector cabinet and whatever 50-100W head you like best.

The ISP Technologies cabinet *looks* like a standard 4x12 when the grill cloth is on. But it's divided into two separate compartments and has some extremely sophisticated electronics that make it the ideal half-stack-style cabinet for Darth Metal.

The electronics strip out the bottom end and feed the mids and highs to a pair of fairly normal guitar 12" speakers (Jensens) arrayed vertically in their own sealed compartment. The lows are fed into a 400W power amp feeding a 500W active subwoofer in its own sealed cabinet. The cabinet was designed to be used with their Theta head, but can be used with any amp head. The cabinet is flat all the way down to 50Hz (most 4x12s drop off drastically at around 110Hz). Worth noting that a standard low E is 82Hz -- most 4x12s won't even reproduce the fundamental of a standard 6-string guitar.

The cabinet in this photo is the one I'm talking about. It's pictured with ISP Technologies' Theta head:

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