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#1
I'm gonna start the thread by saying that there's been a lot of confusion over the intention of this OP. It was rushed and all (as this one will likely be) and people were under the impression that I'm saying that all men are rapists, or that this hashtag and movement is implying that.


So let me address the obvious: No one is saying that all men are rapists.


The #YesAllWomen trend should be taken to mean "Yes, all women experience this". The reason it placed itself in opposition to the phrase "Not all men are X" is because this phrase is often used to deflect responsibility off the individual stating it, when no one is being accusatory at all. The result is a shift in the focus of the discussion off women sharing experiences of misogyny, and onto men with a wounded ego, fearing the label of rapist falling onto them (which is understandable, but ultimately unedifying and obvious).


Following this is the idea of "If I've never raped anyone, I shouldn't care what these women have to say, and this should be seen as right". Now, 1) You're actively ignoring women sharing their daily experiences of sexual harassment and assault and 2) You're asking that others agree that this is the right thing to do. Hopefully I don't need to explain why that's wrong, or why that doesn't help. As a man, directly or indirectly, I benefit (and receive pressure to fulfill an arbitrary gender role, but that's a different discussion) from a patriarchal society. If I were to willingly endorse apathy about misogyny, then not only am I using what most of us here will agree is a corrupt system of values, but I'm promoting idleness about that system.


I've linked to this article at the bottom, titled "WE NEED TO CHANGE HOW WE TALK ABOUT RAPE", because it'll provide a helpful background on rape culture. GodOfCheeseCake's post here has some important excerpts from this.

(If you can't read or dislike FILM CRIT HULK's style, where he posts in ALL CAPS, use www.convertcase.net to switch it to "Bruce Banner" speak)


Understanding this, that we don't condone or tolerate sexism for any gender or sex, please feel free to contribute to the thread. And please try not to spam, at the very least write down your thoughts and although it'll get heated, don't take it personally. This is about gender and ethics, not you. I'm guilty of this as well.


Please try to take a look at the Twitter trend. Here's the original OP:

These are moving and awesome and heartbreaking all at once, and I want to share it with you, Pit.


Basically, we all know about feminism. It's feminism, you love it if you're sane, hate it if you're awful. Then there are MRAs, PUAs, RedPill'ers/ites(?), and a whole range of human garbage with a supreme sense of entitlement.


Then there was that guy that killed 6 people cuz no one would have sex with him. Then a bunch of people defended him. Then a bunch of people said that "Not all men are like that", cuz they needed to distance themselves for some reason, calling him "mentally ill" and not really touting MRA ideology. We'll lump those under awful entitled human garbage.


Finally the hashtag #YesAllWomen was trending to oppose the "Not All Men" phrase and provide true perspective on the daily misogyny ALL women face.


And then there was light.


All time greats. You can't embed tweets I think, so for this OP pics will do.

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Quote by ManInTheBox14
ily even more

Ali, can you add this to the OP? It's extremely important and very informative.
http://badassdigest.com/2013/11/14/we-need-to-change-how-we-talk-about-rape/



We've all agreed that the above link is a fantastic article that will give you a small background on how patriarchal mindsets work and the way we should discuss rape, written by an anonymous film critic/mentor, FILM CRIT HULK. Hulk uses HULK SPEAK and so if you don't like his all-caps style (although, it's a great style), please use Convert Case to view his article in Bruce Banner-mode.
Last edited by ali.guitarkid7 at Sep 15, 2014,
#3
Those are all terrible

EDIT: As are all the spinoffs from this massacre.
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Last edited by Dreadnought at May 26, 2014,
#8
fwiw everyone should keep their shirts on. if i wanted to feel your sweat i'll rub my face in your armpits tyvm

i also dont get the hashtag
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Last edited by Cianyx at May 26, 2014,
#10
Quote by ali.guitarkid7
Women are all gold diggers.


Previous deleted quote by Ali, probably taken out of context, but let's be honest, who cares what a misogynist like you thinks?
#11
That shit applies to the dudes who are pieces of shit and should just die already.

I've gone 27 years of my life not beating, raping, or killing women. I'm going to keep it that way because i'm not a total fucckshit. This movement is fine, but it doesn't apply to me. You can't change the world, when human nature is dark as shit.
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#12
Quote by Nelshizzle
You can't change the world, when human nature is dark as shit.


Wow, so much realism...very Hobbes.
#13
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Sometimes I fuck a bamboo shoot.


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Just barreling dogs and barking trains
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#14
Quote by Dreadnought
Those are all terrible

EDIT: As are all the spinoffs from this massacre.
This too. And ya'll thought the drug thread closing was bad.
Quote by snipelfritz
You lost me at "Lubricate."

I'm raw, like nature. Nature boy. Big jungle leaves are my cum rags.

Sometimes I fuck a bamboo shoot.


There's nothing left here to be saved
Just barreling dogs and barking trains
Another year lost to the blue line
#15
Quote by severed-metal
Previous deleted quote by Ali, probably taken out of context, but let's be honest, who cares what a misogynist like you thinks?

I don't get it.

Quote by Nelshizzle
but it doesn't apply to me.

The point is that this phrase is a part of the problem of throwing aside any attitudes against rape as irrelevant to any conversation cuz "I've never raped anyone".


Hence "Yes All Women Face This" to oppose the "Not All Men Are Rapists". The 'movement' is about highlighting what all women face... so it kinda applies to everyone, I think?
#16
Quote by ali.guitarkid7
I don't get it.


Just admit you're a rape apologist. You're openly mocking women's rights just with this thread alone. You don't get it? #trygettingit
#17
Quote by Nelshizzle
That shit applies to the dudes who are pieces of shit and should just die already.

I've gone 27 years of my life not beating, raping, or killing women. I'm going to keep it that way because i'm not a total fucckshit. This movement is fine, but it doesn't apply to me. You can't change the world, when human nature is dark as shit.

And by not doing anything, you're a functioning part of the rape culture.
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#18
if you don't agree with these sentiments you are an empty ass tissue roll.

you're not even useful for an ass anymore.

and you're part of the problem.
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#19
Quote by severed-metal
Just admit you're a rape apologist. You're openly mocking women's rights just with this thread alone. You don't get it? #trygettingit

I'm not mocking anything. My OP is totally sincere.
#20
Quote by Eastwinn
if you don't agree with these sentiments you are an empty ass tissue roll.

you're not even useful for an ass anymore.

and you're part of the problem.

From the mouths of admitted (statutory) rapists.
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#21
Quote by ali.guitarkid7
I'm not mocking anything. My OP is totally sincere.


I believe it for different reasons.
#22
Quote by snipelfritz
And by not doing anything, you're a functioning part of the rape culture.


Wait...what if this kid commited this horrible massacre in order to raise awareness about misogyny in our society? Did he do something good then?
#23
Quote by ali.guitarkid7
He said, sanctimoniously.


Probably. What's this hashtag trend in response to? A few comments on the internet?
#24
Quote by snipelfritz
From the mouths of admitted (statutory) rapists.


i have never committed any variety of rape. nice try though.
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#25
EDIT: ^well that means you're a virgin which is almost worse.

Quote by MetalMullet
Wait...what if this kid commited this horrible massacre in order to raise awareness about misogyny in our society? Did he do something good then?

Oh shit man, so was Hitler like the best person ever???
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#26
No gender is free from significant social injustices. When you start to deny that a certain gender faces these injustices or start to compare them in some sort of "human rights dick measuring contest (sorry feminists)" you start to be human garbage. Please don't be human garbage Ali.

Oh and yr post is scatter-brained/dumb.
#27
snipel: what the hell are you talking about?

thrash: no one is denying any injustices towards men, but thanks for bringing that up for the thousandth time cause we all forgot.
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#28
Quote by Eastwinn

thrash: no one is denying any injustices towards men, but thanks for bringing that up for the thousandth time cause we all forgot.

Ali's post leans pretty heavily towards that at times however I'm pretty sure it's just because his post is really bad.
#29
Quote by ali.guitarkid7
The point is that this phrase is a part of the problem of throwing aside any attitudes against rape as irrelevant to any conversation cuz "I've never raped anyone".


Hence "Yes All Women Face This" to oppose the "Not All Men Are Rapists". The 'movement' is about highlighting what all women face... so it kinda applies to everyone, I think?


I'm sure it does, but i'm not part of this movement. I am happy that there are strong opinions on the matter at hand, but I have no contingencies. I should not be forced into the ideology that if I am not participating in a particular movement, then I am part of the problem. I've never subscribed to that notion. "Vote or Die", "If you're not with us, you're against us", and commonplace statements such as those.

So what, do we as those who do support, yet do not go above and beyond the call of duty, sit idol and our traps shut to avoid persecution? Do we become the rapist? Or do we become a victim as well.

I'm seeing comments on that twitter that say if i'm not hash tagging this movement, then i'm just as bad. It infuriates me that I have to care about a movement that only popped up because some dipshit kid came out of nowhere and killed 6 people because his opinion was an over inflated sense of egotistical bigoted pride. It's a spiral that is over intrusive and I am not interested or impressed honestly.
Most of the important things


in the world have been accomplished


by people who have kept on


trying when there seemed to be no hope at all
#32
Quote by Nelshizzle
I'm sure it does, but i'm not part of this movement. I am happy that there are strong opinions on the matter at hand, but I have no contingencies. I should not be forced into the ideology that if I am not participating in a particular movement, then I am part of the problem. I've never subscribed to that notion. "Vote or Die", "If you're not with us, you're against us", and commonplace statements such as those.

So what, do we as those who do support, yet do not go above and beyond the call of duty, sit idol and our traps shut to avoid persecution? Do we become the rapist? Or do we become a victim as well.

I'm seeing comments on that twitter that say if i'm not hash tagging this movement, then i'm just as bad. It infuriates me that I have to care about a movement that only popped up because some dipshit kid came out of nowhere and killed 6 people because his opinion was an over inflated sense of egotistical bigoted pride. It's a spiral that is over intrusive and I am not interested or impressed honestly.


Hearrrrd that
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#34
Quote by Thrashtastic15
Bang.


too stoned to read?

nel: patriarchy is perpetuated both by active participants and passive bystanders. you may not opt-out of our culture to your own little island. you may chose to be contrary or chose to remain guilty.

salvation lies within ~
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#35
Quote by Eastwinn
too stoned to read?

nel: patriarchy is perpetuated both by active participants and passive bystanders. you may not opt-out of our culture to your own little island. you may chose to be contrary or chose to remain guilty.


Now I know you're not serious
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#36
Haven't we had enough threads on this already?

Also, Ali, you're a self-righteous little shit. I could go into detail, but I'll keep it basic by saying that it has nothing to do with your views on feminism and everything to do with the fact that you love painting entire groups of people as human garbage. Fuck off.

EDIT: The guilty by association bullshit is also ridiculous.
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#37
Quote by Eastwinn
too stoned to read?

nel: patriarchy is perpetuated both by active participants and passive bystanders. you may not opt-out of our culture to your own little island. you may chose to be contrary or chose to remain guilty.

salvation lies within ~


Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
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#38
Quote by Dreadnought
Now I know you're not serious


let me break this down for you real slow. if you are not a feminist you are one of two options:
a) a degenerate piece of shit
b) a stubborn, arrogant piece of shit

it's a chose your own adventure, but keep your septic spelunking to yourself.
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#40
Quote by Eastwinn
too stoned to read?

nel: patriarchy is perpetuated both by active participants and passive bystanders. you may not opt-out of our culture to your own little island. you may chose to be contrary or chose to remain guilty.

salvation lies within ~


I guess we're all guilty of not participating in something that catches the eye of the collective majority.

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Most of the important things


in the world have been accomplished


by people who have kept on


trying when there seemed to be no hope at all