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#41
You don't have to go much deeper than Metallica to get Satanic music.
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#42
I don't know if death metal is considered "deeper" than posterboy metal bands like Metallica these days, but it's pretty easy to find death metal bands that don't use any satanic imagery, or at least very little.
#43
Oh it is, but that's not the point. The point of the thread is more "is there a place for Satan in metal anymore"

No one was claiming metal is only Satanic... though a lot of people are claiming that that's what TS was saying.
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#44
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So I guess that makes you an authority on the use of Satanic Imagery in metal music then?

That is pretty entry level stuff man.

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He said 'and more'. The obviously implies Infester, Pungent Stench, Vrolok and Disma.
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#45
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Oh it is, but that's not the point. The point of the thread is more "is there a place for Satan in metal anymore"

No one was claiming metal is only Satanic... though a lot of people are claiming that that's what TS was saying.


The title implies metal is yet to move beyond satan, "will metal ever move past 'satan". Not "does satan have any relevance in modern metal."
#46
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The title implies metal is yet to move beyond satan, "will metal ever move past 'satan". Not "does satan have any relevance in modern metal."


That's pretty much what I got from it.

But either way, the answer is yes.
You want to listen to black metal but can't deal with satanic imagery? There's bands that do.
Thrash, death, doom, grind without satanic imagery? Plenty of bands that fit that criteria.
But for people that enjoy it, or like me, simply don't give too many ****s, there are the the rest of the bands.
I like Behemoth a great deal, doesn't mean I subscribe to their lyrical standpoints.
#47
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You don't make any sense. **** off



Don't quote me out of context, I don't listen to that many bands nowadays is what I said.


And don't get so angry, it's not my fault you have a 12 year old's idea of what metal is, I'm just telling you that you're stereotyping metal and that makes me think you don't actually listen to it.
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#48
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on a more serious note - Blindside - I'm sure it will. However some of the fundamentals of Satanism, as well as other philosophical currents metal picked up over the years sit so well with music, that it's probably always going to be a part of it, in one way or another.

Secondly, there are a great number of artists who approach it from a deeper point of view than simply "shock", entry-level theistic currents or simplistic laveyan hedonistic point of view. Those artists are more worthwhile for at least approaching the subject in a scholarly manner, where music becomes the vehicle for their expression and spiritual transformation, - whether the audience partakes or not, the dissonant, disharmonious worlds they make perhaps wouldn't be possible without their underlying convictions. In that case "moving past" the subject isn't necessary.

Stagnation hasn't been only due to a repetitive subject matter and its unintelligent treatment. The music writing itself has often been to put it in Wildchild's words "a documentary".

Perhaps I slightly missed your point in replying, - it's rather late and I've had an amount of booze. Hopefully I've answered as you would have liked to see this thread answered, however.

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#49
true Nihilistic nature of metal? hmm wouldn't think that any genre is only for pagans..I used to be a pagan.
No all these pretend satanist.. True Satanist are like the folks at the Bilderberg meetings,
Politicians who want to depopulate then enslave the world..Now that's my son is what true evil looks like.
#50
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Anti-Christianism is one of the defining characteristics of black metal. Take away satan/paganism/misanthropy and it's no longer called black metal.

I personally prefer misanthropy to the lame "HAIL SATAN" or "YAY! NEO-PAGANISM" that some of the newer BM bands do. As Blindside said, it worked when BM bands were new and such. But it's been almost 15 years since BM began. Do we really need more BM bands that write cheesy lyrics about demon worship or how Thor is great? I say no.


I much more enjoy newer BM bands that use misanthropic writing in their lyrics.

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Don't quote me out of context, I don't listen to that many bands nowadays is what I said.


And don't get so angry, it's not my fault you have a 12 year old's idea of what metal is, I'm just telling you that you're stereotyping metal and that makes me think you don't actually listen to it.

Are you actually trying to tell someone else, "You don't listen to Metal"?

As for that in regards to Blindside, you do realize that Blindside is fairly active on this forum, right? I see him post on Death and Black Metal band threads all the time. (Many of these threads which are discussing new bands [as in, bands with 2010-2014 record releases].) So, shut it. You're being a prick.
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#51
Jews so despise themselves that they can't help but project their hate unto others
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I'm a Nazi, yes I am
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#52
Jacoby, are you really that immature? That you have to take a potshot at me (in a racist manner, no less), just because you dislike me?
#53
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true Nihilistic nature of metal? hmm wouldn't think that any genre is only for pagans..I used to be a pagan.
No all these pretend satanist.. True Satanist are like the folks at the Bilderberg meetings,
Politicians who want to depopulate then enslave the world..Now that's my son is what true evil looks like.


This has nothing to do with metal and it's just a way for you to bitch about the latest conspiracy you read on Wikipedia. Shush.
#54
That you assumed that it was about you corroborates the theory
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#55
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That you assumed that it was about you corroborates the theory

Yes...

I mean, why wouldn't I assume you mean me? After all, I'm the only guy who has admitted to being a Jew on this forum really. But whatever.


In any case, back on topic...it'd be sort of cool if more bands would create their own horror mythos or dystopian mythos. I find that kind of thing to be really cool and creative.
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#56
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The title implies metal is yet to move beyond satan, "will metal ever move past 'satan". Not "does satan have any relevance in modern metal."


Okay maybe I should have worded it a bit different and been more specific. I was assuming though that the regulars would be the only ones replying and in that context that means 98% occult metal. So continue to make a big deal over nothing douche.

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on a more serious note - Blindside - I'm sure it will. However some of the fundamentals of Satanism, as well as other philosophical currents metal picked up over the years sit so well with music, that it's probably always going to be a part of it, in one way or another.

Secondly, there are a great number of artists who approach it from a deeper point of view than simply "shock", entry-level theistic currents or simplistic laveyan hedonistic point of view. Those artists are more worthwhile for at least approaching the subject in a scholarly manner, where music becomes the vehicle for their expression and spiritual transformation, - whether the audience partakes or not, the dissonant, disharmonious worlds they make perhaps wouldn't be possible without their underlying convictions. In that case "moving past" the subject isn't necessary.

Stagnation hasn't been only due to a repetitive subject matter and its unintelligent treatment. The music writing itself has often been to put it in Wildchild's words "a documentary".

Perhaps I slightly missed your point in replying, - it's rather late and I've had an amount of booze. Hopefully I've answered as you would have liked to see this thread answered, however.


Nah man you got my point entirely, good reply thanks.

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Yes...
In any case, back on topic...it'd be sort of cool if more bands would create their own horror mythos or dystopian mythos. I find that kind of thing to be really cool and creative.


If you find any let me know, I'd definitely be interested. Not saying there aren't any out there but I'm not currently aware of any. The more I think about it though the more I am aware that I should pay more attention to lyrical content.
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#57
I flew over crystal ground
My existence, numb
Over orchards of grievance,
sorrow and tears
This beautiful silence
calls me now
Black fog devours me but I can see it all
The monument of my past,
this land of seven horizons before my eyes
I reach the land of spiritual rest
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#58
So lemme get this straight, you throw a fit when kids make shit threads on here, and then you go make one yourself?
#59
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Are you actually trying to tell someone else, "You don't listen to Metal"?

As for that in regards to Blindside, you do realize that Blindside is fairly active on this forum, right? I see him post on Death and Black Metal band threads all the time. (Many of these threads which are discussing new bands [as in, bands with 2010-2014 record releases].) So, shut it. You're being a prick.


Oh sam you do get so angry at everyone, plus I wasn't even targeting you, calm down those breasts of yours


And no, I'm not saying he doesn't listen to metal, I'm just saying that the notion that every metal band is obsessed with skulls, satan and death is a really out dated view and a severe stereotype, and the people that fuel that stereotype are generally people who don't actually listen to metal.
I'm sure Blindside does listen to metal but his view that every band in the genre is into those things is a bad generalisation.

It's like the people who think all rap lyrics are about drugs and gang shootings, it's an incorrect stereotype.
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#60
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So lemme get this straight, you throw a fit when kids make shit threads on here, and then you go make one yourself?


haha I'm not seeing you trying to generate anything of merit **** stick. Also if you didn't notice people are actually talking about something beside their dicks.
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#61
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It's like the people who think all rap lyrics are about drugs and gang shootings, it's an incorrect stereotype.


It's either about that or some "hood rat" trying to spread her Aids infestation at the club.
Aren't stereotypes fun? I admit though I over generalized a bit but like I said before if you take it into context of the forum regulars it makes sense. I had no idea all these people I've never seen post here would come out of the wood work.
#62
jesus christ the metal forum makes me cringe so hard now. is there only petty bickering and embarrassing tough guy personas left? was it always like this? was i also like this?
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Open up your funky mind and you can fly

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#63
You've transcended us brother, thanks for lowering your standards enough to come visit us once in awhile though.
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#64
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It's either about that or some "hood rat" trying to spread her Aids infestation at the club.
Aren't stereotypes fun? I admit though I over generalized a bit but like I said before if you take it into context of the forum regulars it makes sense. I had no idea all these people I've never seen post here would come out of the wood work.


This is not a shot at you blindside so please don't take it as such, but I generally despise the metal forum and general discussion on metal because of the fanboy arguments and the ignorant fans who have genre debates and flame other poeple for liking this band or this sub-genre. That's why I stay away from the metal forum, I stick to the pit because discussion in there is all taken lightly but there can be reasoned discussion, not just flame war bollocks like the metal forum.

Altho Sam has been on my case a bit lately, honestly sam I'm sorry if I've upset you, if you ever want to talk man, you know I'm here for you, I'll help you get through whatever it is that's been getting your vagina so inflamed lately.
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#67
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This is not a shot at you blindside so please don't take it as such, but I generally despise the metal forum and general discussion on metal because of the fanboy arguments and the ignorant fans who have genre debates and flame other poeple for liking this band or this sub-genre. That's why I stay away from the metal forum, I stick to the pit because discussion in there is all taken lightly but there can be reasoned discussion, not just flame war bollocks like the metal forum.


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#68
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jesus christ the metal forum makes me cringe so hard now. is there only petty bickering and embarrassing tough guy personas left? was it always like this? was i also like this?


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#69

Severed-metal, your username, your avatar and your tagline really just destroy any argument you even try to make.


Also by posting that video you've basically summed up the type of people who post in the metal forum, thank you for extending my point further by being an example, you really are helping me out here
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#70
It did. Decades ago. If you still think that all metal is "Satanist", you're either stupid as hell, or you don't actually listen to very much metal.
#72
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Severed-metal, your username, your avatar and your tagline really just destroy any argument you even try to make.


djent maestro

EDIT: For the record, ProgFripp74 (cute name), you're not as smart as you think you are.
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#73
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It did. Decades ago. If you still think that all metal is "Satanist", you're either stupid as hell, or you don't actually listen to very much metal.


Values ingrained metal from its conception just vanished a decade ago? Not quite. Bands still persist with the Satan tag because it's what the older bands did, most bands who claim to nature have written a diddy about Satan. As long as the stereotype still persists in metal today, then metal has not gotten over Satanism.

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#74
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haha I'm not seeing you trying to generate anything of merit **** stick. Also if you didn't notice people are actually talking about something beside their dicks.

Probably because when I don't have anything of value to contribute I just don't make threads. I'd rather contribute nothing than contribute liquid shit
#75
Quote by severed-metal
Values ingrained metal from its conception just vanished a decade ago? Not quite. Bands still persist with the Satan tag because it's what the older bands did, most bands who claim to nature have written a diddy about Satan. As long as the stereotype still persists in metal today, then metal has not gotten over Satanism.

Here

Here


There are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of metal bands who don't have anything even remotely satanic in their imagery or lyrics, and never have. Point invalid. If you think metal hasn't gotten of Satanism, it's because you deliberately go out of your way to only listen to Satanic metal, which is not the only metal there is, and in fact isn't even the majority any more.

People who automatically think "satan" when they think "metal" are idiots. Either that or they actually don't have a clue what they're talking about. Which makes them idiots. Period.

Edit: Re-reading your post, I took note of the last sentence. "As long as the stereotype persists..."? No. The persistence of the stereotype does not mean that the genre of metal hasn't gotten over satan. It means that people who don't listen to or understand metal haven't gotten over the stereotype.
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#76
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Probably because when I don't have anything of value to contribute I just don't make threads. I'd rather contribute nothing than contribute liquid shit


Then quit talking ass lips

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There are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of shit poser wannabe metal bands who don't have anything even remotely satanic in their imagery or lyrics, and never have.


fixed
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#77
will metal ever move past boring music like iron bonehead's roster
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#79
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djent maestro

EDIT: For the record, ProgFripp74 (cute name), you're not as smart as you think you are.


ProgFripp74 isn't my name, it's my UG username

As a username I'd hardly say it's bad, I definitely wouldn't call it cute, it's fairly standard I'd say, nothing offensive about it. As for my tagline, I'm not ashamed of liking djent, it's not like it's core or anything.

And I don't believe I ever proclaimed to be smart, you were just having a shot at me for no reason but then I saw your username and what you posted and it was fairly easy to take one back at you
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