#1
hey guys im looking into a new prs guitar, and i got a little more money to spend, i was looking at the s2 line of guitars specially the c 22 and 24, there seem to be subtle diffrences between those and the se c 24 line what do u think is it worth a extra 500 dollars to get something that says made in the U.S.? or are they to completely 2 different guitars? i play jazz to metal so let me know what you guys think thanks.
#2
Quote by JazzyJaymes
hey guys im looking into a new prs guitar, and i got a little more money to spend, i was looking at the s2 line of guitars specially the c 22 and 24, there seem to be subtle diffrences between those and the se c 24 line what do u think is it worth a extra 500 dollars to get something that says made in the U.S.? or are they to completely 2 different guitars? i play jazz to metal so let me know what you guys think thanks.

IMO no they are not. They use the SE tremolo on the S2. How can you justify a $1300-$1400 when your using hardware from your imports.

Now don't get me wrong, I love PRS and I own a USA made CE22. It was the "cheap" PRS back when I bought it. It is basically the exact same as the Custom 22/24 but it has a bolt-thru maple neck vs. the set necks of the custom. Same hardware, same pickups.

Used they start at $800-$900
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If you're patient, you can get a proper Custom 22/24 used for a similar amount of cash.
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If you're patient, you can get a proper Custom 22/24 used for a similar amount of cash.


ive been looking, been hard to find one :/
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#6
There was a really hot whale blue 10 top (at least I think it was a 10, my memory is fuzzy) on MusicGoRound but it seems someone bought it.

You just have to be patient and you'll find one. The wait will be worth it.

Also worth mentioning that the S2 line, for whatever reason, is missing the carved top that the proper Customs have. It's flat. Kind of a bummer.
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anything with bird inlays?

They have a Swamp ash special which is a bolt-thru, but it has birds
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#9
Sigh. GC desperately needs someone knowledgeable to take proper pictures and write up detailed descriptions of the expensive gear they want you to buy.
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#10
The only S2 I like is the Starla.




The pictures made me want to check out an S2 Singlecut... but in person the beveling looks very weird on a single cut LP style guitar. Trying to trick your eyes into thinking the flat top is actually a carved top.



I think the SE 245 has a better bevel job than the S2 Singlecut.



Go for a used SE22/24 if you want a better guitar for less $
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#11
The S2s are very nice. Being honest, compared to how other guitars feel and are put together, I think that the S2 (Cu24 at least) feels like a fair $1000 - $1200 guitar. Not $1400, that is too much for what it is. I couldn't bring myself to buy one new at that price.
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#12
i think no.

i saw one in a local sam ash and was very disappointed. from a glance, it appears to be exactly the same feel and quality as the SE line. perhaps they are made in america, but that doesnt mean they are made better. they could be watter down production to the same levels of quality that they are being made in korea.

i would honestly just buy an SE and mod it (pups, locking tuners, straplocks...wiring?) or get a used USA CE series which would probably come out the same as a SE with hundreds in mods.

IMO - any higher end quality guitar should come standard with strap locks and locking tuners. its irrefutable....they are AWESOME, simple changes that make life easier. there is no player that will tell you locking tuners are not preferred. strap locks? i dont like broken necks. thats pretty much across the board as well.
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there is no player that will tell you locking tuners are not preferred.


I'm not familiar with different makes, but I didn't like the locking tuners that were on the LTD EC-1000 I used to have at all. And they didn't seem to make any noteworthy difference in how well they held tune, just had an extra step in stringing my guitar. The ESP tuners on my older H-301 hold tune better than that EC-1000 did.
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perhaps they are made in america, but that doesnt mean they are made better. they could be watter down production to the same levels of quality that they are being made in korea.


From what I was reading awhile back... The S2 parts are entirely imported from Asia. With minor differences from the SE line such as the beveling job, non plastic inlays, and headstock veneer.

It's just ASSEMBLED and setup in Maryland. I've searched and searched and couldn't come up with 1 part they actually make on this guitar that was not imported from Asia. From a PRS video I watched it seems the guitars already come in finished too.

It's just like Fenders Highway 1 line of guitars. Made in Mexico. Put on a truck and shipped from Mexico to Corona up "Highway 1" and assembled/finished in the USA with "Made In USA" stamped on the headstock.
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From what I was reading awhile back... The S2 parts are entirely imported from Asia. With minor differences from the SE line such as the beveling job, non plastic inlays, and headstock veneer.

It's just ASSEMBLED and setup in Maryland. I've searched and searched and couldn't come up with 1 part they actually make on this guitar that was not imported from Asia. From a PRS video I watched it seems the guitars already come in finished too.

It's just like Fenders Highway 1 line of guitars. Made in Mexico. Put on a truck and shipped from Mexico to Corona up "Highway 1" and assembled/finished in the USA with "Made In USA" stamped on the headstock.

No the S2 is 100% made and built in the USA minus the SE trem

Go to the PRS site and read all about it
http://prsguitars.com/s2series/about/
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In the same price range at my local stores its PRS s2 some low end american fenders and Gibson studios of the 3 I think the s2 is the best guitar. If you look used there's always going to be better deals.

Personally in that price range I would be looking at carvin agile and maybe warmoth. But there all online with no chance to try before buying.
#17
whatever it is, it appears to have the same feel and quality as an SE. so i take that whole endeavor as a fail, cause i dont think they gained much.
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Quote by Robbgnarly
No the S2 is 100% made and built in the USA minus the SE trem

Go to the PRS site and read all about it
http://prsguitars.com/s2series/about/


Interesting. That was entirely different than what some "well known/in the know" posters said on another forum. Really wish these videos were out when I went shopping last year.

This one goes through the whole process. They use a much bigger piece of maple for their tops than I first thought. I like that! Looks like it's just the electronics and hardware that are imported.

At 14:50 he states all the electronics/pickguards they get are pre wired from Korea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukh0gLUuLXM
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#19
Love PRS' guitars, hate their horrendous pricing.

Something is horribly wrong when the tops of your imported line are nicer than your $2700 models. Massive waste, some of their finishes are really damn fine too, but they never put a nice top on them. For their "10 tops", they use the same exact finishes they've been using for years almost every time.

And then they don't even have a proper line to bridge the $1500 to $2000 range.
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^ the tops are probably veneers on the imports
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^ the tops are probably veneers on the imports

Yeah on the SE they have a maple cap with a Flame-maple veneer
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Yeah not surprising if they look "better", then. It's not comparing like with like.
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Yeah not surprising if they look "better", then. It's not comparing like with like.

My CE22 has a so-so flame top, but it is a real carved fame top I think it is about an A grade maple nothing like the custom 22/24 tops
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^ Yeah I mean solid flamed tops are quite expensive. Even for the lesser grades. At least compared even-fancy-looking veneers.
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^ Yeah I mean solid flamed tops are quite expensive. Even for the lesser grades. At least compared even-fancy-looking veneers.

Well check out my CE22 in my profile, for a PRS the Flame top is kinda week, but it would be easy a Gibson custom top. PRS just has way better tops than any other maker I've seen
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Oh yeah absolutely, that's not a bad top at all. I'd say it's probably AA, maybe even AAA with a bit of luck, kind of thing.
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Oh yeah absolutely, that's not a bad top at all. I'd say it's probably AA, maybe even AAA with a bit of luck, kind of thing.

yeah for a normal company, but I'll give PRS that they deff use top notch woods. And it is one of the very best playing guitars I've ever laid my hands on. When my son turns 16 I'm giving it to him, I figure I can be the cool dad
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but yeah the PRS tops I've seen have generally been great, yeah.
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but yeah the PRS tops I've seen have generally been great, yeah.

Yeah like I said the top on mine is nice, but for a PRS it's kinda meh.
I know that may sound funny but I think it is true. But it is a CE which was the cheap working mans PRS back in the day. And I bought it to play not display
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Yeah
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