#1
i have a schecter soloist(tuned drop c) peavey 6505(4 months old-stock ruby tubes), orange 4X12 V30 cab, maxon od808, mxr 10 band eq, and a decimator pedal. i just got the mxr eq last week. with the mxr, ive tried different settings and it sounds muddy and dark or way to bright. i play rhythm.. all metal, mostly death. looking for chunky/punchy tone with zero mud. i dont get this... i can tune a stereo eq with perfection. amp eq is tough for me lol. i need help on mxr, amp and maxon settings. thanx

6505 settings:

lead channel

pre gain 7
low 8.5
mid 6 high 7.5
post gain 1.5
resonance 4
presence 7.5

maxon od808 settings:

drive 0
balance max
tone max
#2
Too much bass, dial it back a bit. Crank up the mids to about 8.5, dial the treble down to about 7. Resonance and prescence both at 7.
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#3
Yeah, cut the bass a bit on the amp and cut everything below 80-100Hz with the outboard EQ.

Also, the chunkyness comes from a number of factors including high mids and sloppy strings, so raise the mids and next time you buy strings consider getting a set with smaller lower strings.
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#4
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Yeah, cut the bass a bit on the amp and cut everything below 80-100Hz with the outboard EQ.

Also, the chunkyness comes from a number of factors including high mids and sloppy strings, so raise the mids and next time you buy strings consider getting a set with smaller lower strings.


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#5
For drop C?
****

Well if you like big strings, cut the bass, raise the mids and see if you can find a noise gate to set tight at least
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For drop C?
****

Well if you like big strings, cut the bass, raise the mids and see if you can find a noise gate to set tight at least



i was using drop A and it sounded like crap. i didnt realize that even with big fat strings, 24.75" scale aint gonna cut it. strings were loose and it sounded muddy. i have a new nut to replace and plan on using lighter strings. probably will go back to daddario 56-10's
#7
I'm running the exact same amp/cab setup and I can tell you that that's too much bass and treble. Try this:

Gain 4-5
Low 5-6
Mid 7-8.5
High 5-6
Res 7-9
Pres 5-7

Also I'm using an MXR GT-OD with it so I'm not too familiar with Maxon, but try dialing the tone and balance back a bit. I usually keep the tone about 12 o'clock on my MXR, I know they're different pedals but obviously they serve the same purpose. And as far as the EQ pedal, I've never used one so I really can't say what would be best for that. I would just set everything in the middle and just tweak from there for preference.
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#8
Post at 1.5 may be part of it as well. I play at low volumes most of the time but find a chance to set post at say 4 and its an entirely new beast. The EQ is different at the different volumes. The mxr 10 band helps to tweak for different volumes. The bass especially kicks in at the higher volumes.
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#9
^ That is also true. When I'm just jamming in my bedroom I have the post at either .5 or 1 and I usually have the bass at about 8 just because of the lower volume so I get more punch and bite, but when you crank it (aka put it on 3 or 4 ) you do have to adjust the EQ
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Last edited by MusicMan24 at Jun 2, 2014,
#10
Quote by mph33rd
i have a schecter soloist(tuned drop c) peavey 6505(4 months old-stock ruby tubes), orange 4X12 V30 cab, maxon od808, mxr 10 band eq, and a decimator pedal. i just got the mxr eq last week. with the mxr, ive tried different settings and it sounds muddy and dark or way to bright. i play rhythm.. all metal, mostly death. looking for chunky/punchy tone with zero mud. i dont get this... i can tune a stereo eq with perfection. amp eq is tough for me lol. i need help on mxr, amp and maxon settings. thanx

6505 settings:

lead channel

pre gain 7
low 8.5
mid 6 high 7.5
post gain 1.5
resonance 4
presence 7.5

maxon od808 settings:

drive 0
balance max
tone max


the pregain seems a little high. i never went over 5 on a 6505+ and it dd it. i am not really a fan of them, but i may pick another one up at some point, to broaden tones a little bit.
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#12
pull the pre gain down. if your using the OD808 as a boost (volume:max, gainff, tone to taste) leave the pre gain below 1/2 way. Take some bass out.


My current Marshall I could not figure out until I set the EQ all to noon and one knob at a time a either added or took away depending on what I thought it needed. My resulting EQ is nothing like I would have ever tried EQing it by sight. And it sounds really good now, I always get complements on my tone
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#13
Your presence and treble settings = extreme brightness.

Your bass setting = mud

Instead of boosting those cut them back and turn the amp up.
#14
Just play around, you'll get there. I've owned a 5150 and a 6505 in the past, and I play mostly progressive death and modern death stuff (think Bloodbath, The Black Dahlia Murder, Between the Buried and Me, Opeth). They're really easy to dial in, the EQ knobs on the amps don't have much range at all. Be grateful you don't have a Mesa.

Is your EQ in the loop?

Pull the volume on your EQ down, and then turn this post gain on your amp up. This is the secret to 6505 tone in the bedroom.

As for the EQ shape, you want to cut off your low end, boost your low mids, scoop your high mids a tiny bit and just keep your highs moderate. Scoop your highs a tiny bit if you want to.

Also, try setting every EQ knob at 0, and then turning each up slowly, bass then mid then treble. Turn up the bass enough so that you can feel it a little bit, but it's not overbearing or muddy. Don't be afraid of the extreme ranges of the knobs, just use your ears. Then turn up your mids until you get a good body, and you don't have a scooped hollow sound. Your highs control your cut and definition, turn this up until you get a good quality sound, but back off when it gets piercing or thin.

Your presence is also important, it's basically a high mid control. Turning this up high can ruin your sound, just keep it moderate, back off if your sound gets thin or honky.

Then, as tedious as it sounds, try doing the same with the bands on your EQ.

I agree your gain is too high, but I don't agree with the guys saying to keep it at 5 max. I found just right around 6 was the best compromise.

For your boost, keep the level maxed out, turn the gain down to 0, but you can add a tiny bit if you want. You can keep your tone about noon or a little above, as adding a little tone on the pedal can give you a little more definition and cut. I remember cutting my tone back though. I've used a few different boosts, Ibanez TS7, Boss SD-1, & MXR M77. They all respond essentially the same.

You might just not like your speakers. V30s are notorious for a high mid spike that can be annoying to some. I ran WGS's G12H30s with mine.


Good luck.
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#15
^ what he said.
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#16
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Just play around, you'll get there. I've owned a 5150 and a 6505 in the past, and I play mostly progressive death and modern death stuff (think Bloodbath, The Black Dahlia Murder, Between the Buried and Me, Opeth). They're really easy to dial in, the EQ knobs on the amps don't have much range at all. Be grateful you don't have a Mesa.

Is your EQ in the loop?

Pull the volume on your EQ down, and then turn this post gain on your amp up. This is the secret to 6505 tone in the bedroom.

As for the EQ shape, you want to cut off your low end, boost your low mids, scoop your high mids a tiny bit and just keep your highs moderate. Scoop your highs a tiny bit if you want to.

Also, try setting every EQ knob at 0, and then turning each up slowly, bass then mid then treble. Turn up the bass enough so that you can feel it a little bit, but it's not overbearing or muddy. Don't be afraid of the extreme ranges of the knobs, just use your ears. Then turn up your mids until you get a good body, and you don't have a scooped hollow sound. Your highs control your cut and definition, turn this up until you get a good quality sound, but back off when it gets piercing or thin.

Your presence is also important, it's basically a high mid control. Turning this up high can ruin your sound, just keep it moderate, back off if your sound gets thin or honky.

Then, as tedious as it sounds, try doing the same with the bands on your EQ.

I agree your gain is too high, but I don't agree with the guys saying to keep it at 5 max. I found just right around 6 was the best compromise.

For your boost, keep the level maxed out, turn the gain down to 0, but you can add a tiny bit if you want. You can keep your tone about noon or a little above, as adding a little tone on the pedal can give you a little more definition and cut. I remember cutting my tone back though. I've used a few different boosts, Ibanez TS7, Boss SD-1, & MXR M77. They all respond essentially the same.

You might just not like your speakers. V30s are notorious for a high mid spike that can be annoying to some. I ran WGS's G12H30s with mine.


Good luck.


this was probably the most helpful post i've received on any forum. huge thank you!

as far as speakers... im strongly considering adding 2 k100's in an X pattern. ive heard nothing but good results with this combo. if anyone is interested... i have 2 V30's for sale/trade.

again... thanx for the help!
Last edited by mph33rd at Jun 5, 2014,
#17
Quote by mph33rd
this was probably the most helpful post i've received on any forum. huge thank you!

as far as speakers... im strongly considering adding 2 k100's in an X pattern. ive heard nothing but good results with this combo. if anyone is interested... i have 2 V30's for sale/trade.

again... thanx for the help!


i love K100's i have a dozen i think now. two cabs all K100's, and two cabs with two and two V30's.

best combination.
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i love K100's i have a dozen i think now. two cabs all K100's, and two cabs with two and two V30's.

best combination.



i'll trade you 2 V30's with less than 20 hours playing time for 2 k100's
#19
thinking about getting some eurotube high gain matching sets. wonder this will improve my tone a little
#20
Quote by mph33rd
thinking about getting some eurotube high gain matching sets. wonder this will improve my tone a little


if the tubes are stock, likely new ones could be better. however ruby is a re-label so read off the codes and somebody can help you figure out what they are.

i would probably get a new set for tone sake. keep the old ones for backups

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