Shooter subdued with pepper spray by another student at Seattle University

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#3
Make pepper spray illegal in half countries around the world, let's see the difference.
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We need to stop exploiting tragedies to advance political agendas and instead try to have some empathy like people worth a damn.
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We need to stop exploiting tragedies to advance political agendas and instead try to have some empathy like people worth a damn.

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We need to stop exploiting tragedies to advance political agendas and instead try to have some empathy like people worth a damn.


Fucking amen.
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We need to stop exploiting tragedies to advance political agendas and instead try to have some empathy like people worth a damn.


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has school shootings become a thing

because i'm not that ok with that
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Don't cut yourself on all that edge.


nah, i believe these events are worth examining. i'm not lacking empathy, i just keep it to myself most times.
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Just when Canada was having its 15 minutes of fame you Americans had to ruin it for them
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Make pepper spray illegal in half countries around the world, let's see the difference.

Proper pepper spray already is illegal in the UK.
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I can't wait for the news article 'Mass pepper spraying tragedy'
It's over simplified, So what!

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has school shootings become a thing

because i'm not that ok with that

It has because guns are so easily available in the USA. Do Australia and the Netherlands have schoolshootings? Think not. Case proven.
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#18
Pepper spray probably assisted, but "subduing" requires some further physical action. Pepper spray doesn't fully incapacitate someone.

Good on the student that intervened tough. That took some bravery.
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Proper pepper spray already is illegal in the UK.

define "proper"
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Anything designed to subdue or cause harm. In the UK the closest you can get is a paint that you can't wash off.
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Anything designed to subdue or cause harm. In the UK the closest you can get is a paint that you can't wash off.


For an added kick, ensure that the paint is lead based.
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Quote by JackalUK
Anything designed to subdue or cause harm. In the UK the closest you can get is a paint that you can't wash off.

don't even want to joke about that. that sux, mate.
#23
Yeah in the UK basically you can't carry anything in public that counts as a "weapon".

Apart from my finely sculpted body.


I don't know if there's any law about owning pepper spray at home though.
#24
It's entirely illegal to own in the UK. If you are found to own it you would be brought up for section 5 firearm offences.
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Yeah in the UK basically you can't carry anything in public that counts as a "weapon".

what about set of keys or, say, a lighter?
#26
You can carry then, actually use them and you can get into a lot of trouble though. The UK has some very strange views on self defence.
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Quote by JackalUK
You can carry then, actually use them and you can get into a lot of trouble though. The UK has some very strange views on self defence.


This - although I wasn't formally charged, I got in a shit-load of trouble for using a Kubotan in self defence when a couple of guys tried to jump me in town once.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubotan

The only reason that I had one (it was confiscated) is because I spent 12 odd years training in traditional Kenpo Jujitsu, and the Kubotan is used in sections of the syllabus for that discipline.

EDIT: I should point out that it was not a spiked Kubotan, I'd actually forgotten that they exist.
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#28
This is a very strange world we all live in.
But what about usual key set with some sharpened key in it or a lighter set for a sharp and quick burst?
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Quote by JackalUK
You can carry then, actually use them and you can get into a lot of trouble though. The UK has some very strange views on self defence.

We have issues with strange self defense laws in the US, too.

When I lived in GA, prior to 2010ish, I could carry as many guns on my person as I wanted and anywhere I wanted. I could be strapped head to toe with firearms and not arrested.

If I had a knife on me, of any size or purpose, I could be arrested on felony weapons charges. Probably an unlikely conviction (but not entirely impossible), but I could be taken in, at least. The wording was so vague that some people were charged for having steak knives.

The strange situation we have is that the gun lobby advocates for guns only and lobbies for other "weapons" are weaker or nonexistant. The result being, you often have more flexibility with guns than you do with other "weapons".

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We need to stop exploiting tragedies to advance political agendas and instead try to have some empathy like people worth a damn.


Dislike.

I'm going to talk about this on Facebook with completely legit infographics that show having a gun in this case would have prevented one person from being tickled by the attacker. I'm then going to set up straw men everywhere, beat them down like they were liberals, and vomit freedom buzzwords all over myself that had nothing to do with what happened. F*** YEA!
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#30
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We need to stop exploiting tragedies to advance political agendas and instead try to have some empathy like people worth a damn.

But the second step after empathy is always exploitation to advance political agendas, the two are inextricably intertwined.
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Don't cut yourself on all that edge.

Its not edgy. Your statement was incredibly naive. Your original statement is in itself a political statement, one for the status quo. By trying to avoid discussion, you are favoring the ways things are now, whether that stance is intentional or not. If we aren't supposed to have discussions when tragedies happen, when the hell should we?
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#32
Kind of a confusing article. To clarify, the shooting was at Seattle Pacific University and not Seattle University or PLU (Pacific Lutheran University)
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#33
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The strange situation we have is that the gun lobby advocates for guns only and lobbies for other "weapons" are weaker or nonexistant. The result being, you often have more flexibility with guns than you do with other "weapons".


There is some logic, actually. Guns are easier to identify with and to be spotted, they need ammunation (as default, at least) and they are louder which helps to determine the shooter.
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Quote by JackalUK
You can carry then, actually use them and you can get into a lot of trouble though. The UK has some very strange views on self defence.


Their views are that you can't defend yourself at all or you'll be breaking the law. Self defense is considered vigilantism. You have to let the unarmed cops do everything for you. Which takes forever, then if the criminal is armed, you have to let them riddle you with bullet holes for about 30 minutes until the extremely well equipped military comes and shoots the criminal with tear gas, not bullets.

But, what do I know, the government always knows best, hail the government, hail.
#35
What I find quite interesting is on a normal day a student with pepper spray in his back pack would be considered a threat at most schools. Seems they are going for unarmed to the max. Will never stop me from carrying it though. It's half way decent protection.
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#37
im willing to bet that if all you anti gun guys were in a situation where you're at the mercy of a shooter you would be praying for someone to shoot that guy

cheers for the student getting him with pepper spray though
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Their views are that you can't defend yourself at all or you'll be breaking the law. Self defense is considered vigilantism. You have to let the unarmed cops do everything for you. Which takes forever, then if the criminal is armed, you have to let them riddle you with bullet holes for about 30 minutes until the extremely well equipped military comes and shoots the criminal with tear gas, not bullets.

But, what do I know, the government always knows best, hail the government, hail.

I don't believe this is true.
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I don't believe this is true.


In the USA they are trying to rid laws of protecting yourself in your own home. A lot of new laws say you either run away or give them what they came to get. Violence somehow is bad.
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In the USA they are trying to rid laws of protecting yourself in your own home. A lot of new laws say you either run away or give them what they came to get. Violence somehow is bad.

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