vrecfer
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What is the difference between theese different types?

Metal
Gothic Metal
Speed Metal
Nu Metal
Black Metal
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Metal I would say is something of an umbrella term. but for the rest see the first page of the recommendation thread at the top of the page which has little genre definitions.
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Yeah, easiest way to learn the difference is to just listen to the bands. Though I'd argue that general "Metal" is an umbrella term as already said and "Gothic Metal" is a REALLY vaguely defined genre..
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What is the difference between theese different types?


Gothic Metal - Self-explanatory.
Speed Metal - Heavy Metal + early Hardcore
Nu Metal - Obnoxious hard rock made by sexually abused children.
Black Metal - Not easily defined in nascent form. Coalesced in Norway in reaction to the perceived commercialization of death metal. Restructured death metal by infusing it with elements from ambient, heavy metal, and classical placing greater emphasis on evil atmosphere and sublime majesty.
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Black metal = a marketing gimmick invented by make-up wearing basement dwellers to sell their shitty knock-off speed metal and "dark ambient" to unsuspecting fools
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Black metal = a marketing gimmick invented by make-up wearing basement dwellers to sell their shitty knock-off speed metal and "dark ambient" to unsuspecting fools

Your opinions make me think you know a hell of a lot less about metal than you think you do...
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Black metal = a marketing gimmick invented by make-up wearing basement dwellers to sell their shitty knock-off speed metal and "dark ambient" to unsuspecting fools


So you listened to Dimmu Borgir once?
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Your opinions make me think you know a hell of a lot less about metal than you think you do...


Nah, my post sums up a good portion of black metal quite accurately (see: Bathory and his followers). Obviously, a lot of the second-wave stuff can't even be called metal.
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**** off and die poser get the **** out of the metal forum, you belong in the butt rock section. Have fun listening to Pantera and Gay7X
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Since it's more relevant to this thread...

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You said Bathory wasn't metal, therefore your opinion is no longer valid because you are a false. Please see your way out of the metal forum.


No, I said that early Bathory is speed metal with a clever marketing gimmick ("black metal"). I'm talking about stuff like Hanging Garden, Agalloch, Filosofem-era Burzum, etc when I'm talking about non-metal.
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Burzum isn't claiming to be metal, and I wouldn't consider that other shit 2nd wave BM maybe 3rd wave or even post black metal or maybe even just dressed up stadium rock.
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Ultimately, it was the transition period of black metal that allowed the dilution of metal riffs with poisonous influences like Dead Can Dance and folk music, creating the Norwegian alternative metal scene that would soon spread and infect metal on the whole by telling people that ambiance and pompous pseudo-classical melodies are in any way compatible with metal. There was a brief period in time in which black metal actually had meaning (see: DMDS), but it was just a transition just as bands like Adramelch and early Helloween existed only briefly before flower metal erased what it meant to play power metal. Black metal is an insidious lie, more subversive than nu metal or any other distraction.
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I admit there is a **** ton of poser BM bands or atleast "so-called" BM bands.
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Nah, my post sums up a good portion of black metal quite accurately (see: Bathory and his followers). Obviously, a lot of the second-wave stuff can't even be called metal.

See my previous statement.


Just keep reading it, as you keep posting dumbass shit...
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Very good counter-examples, to be fair. I was thinking more along the lines of your average post-Emperor and any other number of "symphonic" black metal bands that eschew any semblance of quality riffing in favor of fruity choirs and keyboards. Like, even if some of them tremolo-pick and blast all the way through, they often simply take the very basics found in black metal and use them as a skeleton to coat with non-metal fluff.
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Quote by HamburgerBoy
Very good counter-examples, to be fair. I was thinking more along the lines of your average post-Emperor and any other number of "symphonic" black metal bands that eschew any semblance of quality riffing in favor of fruity choirs and keyboards. Like, even if some of them tremolo-pick and blast all the way through, they often simply take the very basics found in black metal and use them as a skeleton to coat with non-metal fluff.


Guy's got a point.
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That music has nothing to do with black metal besides sounding like it
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No, you can very much make a direct lineage from Emperor to, say, a Limbonic Art. Prefixed black metal is wholly the responsibility of corruptors of true metal values like ANUS who praise the influences of martial industrial and neoclassical darkwave and other forms of decadent non-metal. While they may not approve those "third-wave" bands themselves, they created the conditions that led to their permeation of metal via the acceptance of progenitors like Burzum.
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Only in a matter of aesthetic
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Only in a matter of aesthetic


Black metal, more than any other metal sub-genre, is defined by aesthetic, so yeah, obviously.
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I think HamburgerBoy is just countering NotFromAnus' statement for shock value.

This may or may not be true, but is ultimately irrelevant to whether or not his point is valid. His points aren't exactly original or isolated. There are various perspectives about how diluted metal can become by outside influence. For example, some people reject any punk influenced metal as corrupt and lacking in the appropriate romantic spirit necessary for metal to work as an art-form. Such people would essentially reject anything but traditional heavy metal and doom metal.

I won't presume anything but what Mr. Hamburger has said.

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Black metal = a marketing gimmick invented by make-up wearing basement dwellers to sell their shitty knock-off speed metal and "dark ambient" to unsuspecting fools

How literally do you mean to say this? The outright marketing of black metal didn't really formally occur until Cradle of Filth.

Very good counter-examples, to be fair. I was thinking more along the lines of your average post-Emperor and any other number of "symphonic" black metal bands that eschew any semblance of quality riffing in favor of fruity choirs and keyboards. Like, even if some of them tremolo-pick and blast all the way through, they often simply take the very basics found in black metal and use them as a skeleton to coat with non-metal fluff.

Post-Emperor implies post Mayhem, Darkthrone, Burzum, Immortal (all pre-Emperor), Beherit, and Enslaved (contemporaneous with Emperor). These are the major figures of black metal outside of the progenitors. Are you questioning the validity of the artistic output of these bands? If not, then you aren't saying anything particularly controversial. The Dark Legions Archive posits that Black Metal ended in 1994.

No, you can very much make a direct lineage from Emperor to, say, a Limbonic Art. Prefixed black metal is wholly the responsibility of corruptors of true metal values like ANUS who praise the influences of martial industrial and neoclassical darkwave and other forms of decadent non-metal. While they may not approve those "third-wave" bands themselves, they created the conditions that led to their permeation of metal via the acceptance of progenitors like Burzum.

You can make a direct lineage from Exhorder to Pantera. Namely, Pantera stole Exhorder's sound. You can hardly blame Exhorder for this.

Hell, you can trace almost any metal band to Black Sabbath. You can certainly trace any number of terrible bands to influences who were metal giants. This isn't really saying anything in itself. How was the Norwegian scene notably more corrupting?