#1
Hi,

so here's my question. I really like the Peavey 6505+ 112 combo. It's got the powerful, chunky metal sound I need. But the problem is, I am living in an apartment and can't crank that thing up. The volume shouldn't be louder than a normal TV when I am practicing. Is it possible to turn down the Peavey's volume that much? And if so, does it still sound good at low volume?
Last edited by dismau at Jun 8, 2014,
#2
It does have a volume knob but due to lack of global master volume its really sensitive and it ramps up really fast, but it is doable. You can always buy a passive volume box from ebay and put it in the FX Loop that acts like a master volume, makes adjusting volume easier. Plus less tone loss that can happen from having a single volume knob barely up at all.

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#3
^ doesn't have a master volume?
It has two volume controls, one for each channel, that's even better than one master volume alone!
Or am I missing something?

Yeah, they say it gets better putting an EQ or a volume pedal or whatever pedal with a volume control in the fx loop and turning it down.
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^ doesn't have a master volume?
It has two volume controls, one for each channel, that's even better than one master volume alone!
Or am I missing something?

Yeah, they say it gets better putting an EQ or a volume pedal or whatever pedal with a volume control in the fx loop and turning it down.

He was talking about global master volume. So that you would have channel volumes (which are also master volumes) plus a master volume that controls the overall volume.
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^ doesn't have a master volume?
It has two volume controls, one for each channel, that's even better than one master volume alone!
Or am I missing something?

Yeah, they say it gets better putting an EQ or a volume pedal or whatever pedal with a volume control in the fx loop and turning it down.



I meant it it has single volume controls for both channels but no global master that controls both that you can use to tame the amp down. With only channel volumes to play with the volume ramps up if you just sneeze towards the amp.

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#6
Hmm, okay, I might get an Orange Dark Terror then because it has a built-in power soak.
#7
You might also check Laney Ironheart 30w combo. Not as saturated and heavy as 6505 (more like dry razor) but similar and also comes with power soak, all the way down to 1w.

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#8
I had it for a few years and it is not good for bedroom levels, sounds pretty bad. I used boss ns-2 to play at "TV" levels.
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I had it for a few years and it is not good for bedroom levels, sounds pretty bad. I used boss ns-2 to play at "TV" levels.

That's not what a noise gate is for. A noise gate won't improve your bedroom tone. Actually a noise gate is pretty much only needed at higher volume levels because that's when you actually can hear the hum and noise coming from your amp (and it's so loud that it annoys you). A noise gate isn't on when you are playing. It's only on when you stop playing and that's when it mutes the noise.
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#10
Buy an attenuator. I bought a Mesa Rectoverb while living in an apartment and even with a master volume, the tone wasn't all that good. Bought a Weber attenuator and the tone got much better. In my case, this was temporary (I bought a house a year layer), but keep in my mind that no matter what you do, it will never sound as good at bedroom as when you crank it up. It can sound good if you open up the tubes with an attenuator, but you will never be able to simulate speaker movement.
#11
It's loud. Like really loud. But I use it in my bedroom, and I've got neighbours etc. I never have it past 1 tbh, but then I am running it through an ME-70
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Metal sound isn't really about power tube break up so attenuator isn't really going to do anything. If you are not after power tube break up, attenuator will be pretty much useless. Tube amps do sound good at lower volumes (of course not at whisper volumes, I'm talking about quieter than band practice volume). You don't need to crank your amp up to get a good sound. For example my Laney VC30 sounds good at bedroom volumes (volume knob at 1). Also, everything sounds better a bit louder. That's how our ears work.
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#13
You have several options really. If you need/want an amp, i strongly recommend putting an MXR 10 band EQ in the loop.

If you only need / want silent practice look into one of the newer POD units.
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Buy an attenuator. I bought a Mesa Rectoverb while living in an apartment and even with a master volume, the tone wasn't all that good. Bought a Weber attenuator and the tone got much better. In my case, this was temporary (I bought a house a year layer), but keep in my mind that no matter what you do, it will never sound as good at bedroom as when you crank it up. It can sound good if you open up the tubes with an attenuator, but you will never be able to simulate speaker movement.



An attenuator won't do jack. The 6505+ does not sound better by getting power tube distortion. In fact, it's damn-near impossible to get power-tube breakup on that amp (I've tried -- ears couldn't take it past 6 on post gain, still no breakup).

Of course you can't mimic speaker movement at lower volumes, and that's why it starts to sound better when pushed a little.

I have tried using my MXR 10-band EQ in the loop to see if I can get "cranked" tone at lower volumes -- to my ears there is no difference (that said, an EQ in the loop is practically a must, for tone-tweaking reasons). Howerver, using an EQ with a volume and gain slider like the MXR does allow you to adjust your volume using the slider, which is less sensitive than the amp's post gain knob. That way, you won't have it set for TV volumes, cough, and suddenly it's at concert volume.

The best way to get better tone at lower volumes with the 6505+ 112 is to run a boost up front. Anything TS-like will do the job. I run a TS-9. It really takes away the muddiness that you get at lower volumes. Though I have the option to run my rig cranked pretty much whenever I want, I don't dislike the tone I get at low, even TV volumes.

TS, if you like that amp, it will work at low volumes and still sound great. Another thing that helps is to angle it up at your face so the speaker is pointed right at you. It will sound better and louder (to you) without having to be cranked.
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That's not what a noise gate is for. A noise gate won't improve your bedroom tone. Actually a noise gate is pretty much only needed at higher volume levels because that's when you actually can hear the hum and noise coming from your amp (and it's so loud that it annoys you). A noise gate isn't on when you are playing. It's only on when you stop playing and that's when it mutes the noise.


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Metal sound isn't really about power tube break up so attenuator isn't really going to do anything. If you are not after power tube break up, attenuator will be pretty much useless. Tube amps do sound good at lower volumes (of course not at whisper volumes, I'm talking about quieter than band practice volume). You don't need to crank your amp up to get a good sound. For example my Laney VC30 sounds good at bedroom volumes (volume knob at 1). Also, everything sounds better a bit louder. That's how our ears work.


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I find an overdrive used as a boost really helps with saturation at low volumes.

Though whether it'll help enough for super-low apartment volumes, I dunno.
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#17
yeah get an overdrive that will help. there are certain elements of sound that don't come out at low volumes but if you are just practicing at home that shouldn't be that big of a deal. I use both my Valveking and Ultra at home (townhouse with neighbors) all the time without pissing people off. while both amps sound better at band volumes the tones I get at more reasonable levels are fine. keep in mind that you have to change your eq some at different sound levels.