#1
I am looking forward to getting my Marshall jcm 2000 tsl 60 watt head delivered this week. I have played one before In A small guitar shop here in kcmo.
I thought it sounded really good. Maybe it's not an 800 but I liked it enough that I eventually found one online and paid $599+shipping for it.
Every where I look I see soso reviews on the tsl and praising the dsl. Where are the 'TSL' lovers? What are some good settings I can look forward to? Do you have any advise that I can borrow?
#2
The reason is that it doesn't sound like a Marshall and is a very poor substitute for a Mesa, which is the market they were going for.
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#3
I actually like the tsl
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#4
I have only played one a few times,but I picked up a 1960ax with the greenbacks a while back so I have been looking for a low wattage marshall head for some time and decided on this one.
I feel like that should be a fairly respectable combination if I do say so myself. And I have several overdrive pedals (ts9,OCD,blues driver,and a few others if for some reason I think the tone needs a little extra something.
#5
It needs a DSL.
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#6
Lol,ok, well the 'TSL' is on the truck right now making the 1000 mile trip to my front door. So for better or worse I am rooting 'team triple lead' hahaha! Does anyone have any specific advise for me as far as settings go?
#7
The TSL is a decent amp, but the DSL has that JCM800 vibe in the channels. And if you read about them, they are quite different. The DSL was designed to have a clean mode, JCM800 mode (classic channel), and the 2 modes on the lead channel are hot rod JCM800 circuits
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#8
The TSL is a pretty scooped amp. First thing I'd do is replace all the preamp tubes with JJ ECC83S tubes - unless of course you are actually going for the Nu metal thing.
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#9
Get a decent set of tubes for it, it can make or break the TSL

Mullard 12ax7 in V1 and JJ Ecc83 in V2/3 and Sovtek 12ax7LPS in the PI. SED EL34 in the power section or JJE34L if you don't want to shell out $200 for power tubes. You may also want to try a JJ5751 or NOS JAN GE/Phillips 5715 in V1 if you find the amp gets fizzy on you.
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2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
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Morley Bad Horsie 2
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#10
I don't mind a scooped sound, I won't know till I get it if it still has stock tubes or not.
And if it does I will probably want to replace them before to long anyhow. Thanks for the tip
Which reminds me of another question I had, how long did the marshall make the Tsl 60 head? From when to when?
#11
From the late 1990's to 09/10

Look at the serial number when you get it the first couple of numbers will give you the year
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GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
#12
If it was made prior to 2003 you'll want to change out the rectifier with a bigger heatsinked one too. Unless you need a space heater that is.
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#14
Yeah they fixed the rectifier issue.
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#15
Tracking info has it scheduled to arrive buy end of day Thursday. I will spend the next three days wondering what year mine was made. Hahaha thanks lol
#16
Ok so I have some pics and one of them has the serial number... 2001 so what exactly is this rectifier defect? Please expand a little does it over heat or just get hot? I'm just a home jammer, I haven't played in a band for a long time. Is it something I should be seriously concerned with?
#17
I gets so hot that it scorches the board. If you're lucky it will have already been replaced. You'll have to open it up and look, no other way to tell.
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#18
I'm trying to find info on it. So far one of the over heating issues I have found seems to be contained to the motherboard of the 100 watt models. Do you think my 60 water may have been spared such horrible fate lol
#19
I'm pretty sure that every JCM2000 prior to 2003 had the same issue, even the little DSL401.
It's a job for somebody with a steady hand. You have to lift the board, remove the rectifier, drill/ream out the holes in the PCB to take the bigger rectifier, fit the heatsink and put it back together.
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#20
from the one TSL i played i thought it sounded to fizzy, with a lot of low end "push" but not much "punch" with not a whole lot of mids. other than that, the clean and crunch channels i though were pretty damn good.

my JSX has quite a bit of fizz unless you dial out quite a bit of treble, gain, and boost it then run it out, but then it sound pretty awesome.
#21
That's over my head, if j tried to do a mode like that I would end up with a $600 pile of dead amp. Thanks for the heads up but I will just have to hope mine doesn't ...melt my board, geez what a nightmare that would be.
Soooo um does anyone have anything positive to say about this amp I just bought,you guys are killing me lol!
#22
They'll hold open a pretty heavy door.
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Marshall 18W clone
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Boss GT-100


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#23
Hahahaha! Funny guy lol. Well that would be par for the course there is something wrong with my peavey Valveking and it sounds like **** that was the whole reason I started to look for another head, and having a pretty nice cab I went with marshall
I'm going to stay positive right up until I smell smoke
#24
You can see if it has been fixed, if it hasn't then just take it to a tech. It might cost you a bit but it's worth it if it saves your amp from getting destroyed.

FWIW I have heard the TSLs make good noises, I haven't played one myself but I think you'll find some sounds you like.
I'm just a kickin' and a gougin' in the mud and the blood and the beer.
#25
Yeah. It's the little round black button looking thing near the power transformer (or if fixed, probably square with a little heatsink attached.) You'll be able to find it because the board will have a dark scorch mark under it. Look for that and you'll see it sitting right in the middle.
If you take a photo of it we can tell you pretty quickly. Keep your fingers out of there though. There's no bleed resistor on those so the caps will stay charged for a while. No gerfingerpokin inside the chassis. Just slide it out, take the photo and slide it back in.
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Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
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Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


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Last edited by Cathbard at Jun 17, 2014,
#27
I'm finding a lot of threads talking about how the combos are the main culprits because the heat from the tubes runs back up into the already sensitive rectifier
#28
The combos are worse but it still aint right. It's a design flaw, they chose the wrong rectifier.
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