#1
Hey guys! Need a little help here! Recently, I picked up a Jet City combo, and while I'm loving the hell out of it, I want an amp for more modern tones as well. Doesn't necessarily have to be the brootz, but just more modern. The Jet City handles all my 70's and 80's, now I want something to take care of my 90's and 00's. I can spend 500 bucks and I prefer tube over solid state. Location is NE Arkansas. Will be playing older Machine Head and thrash/groove heavy rhythms.
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#2
Do you have any boost or OD pedal?
'cause one in front of the jet city would do iyam.

Though if it doesn't do, get yourself a used 6505 or 6505+ combo.
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Though if it doesn't do, get yourself a used 6505 or 6505+ combo.


If he couldn't find the tone he wants with a Jet City then a 6505 won't do either. Both were spawn off the same origin really (Soldano).

But yeah, try throw a tubescreamer up front and tighten it up.
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Need more info. What modern tone are you looking for? Name at least two bands.
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Need more info. What modern tone are you looking for? Name at least two bands.

Good question.

When you say "modern tone", I immediately think of modern high gain tones -- Peavey 6505+, Mesa Rectos...
But you mentioned it "doesn't necessarily have to be the brootz", so it makes me wonder what do you consider low-to-mid gain modern tones.
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Hey guys! Need a little help here! Recently, I picked up a Jet City combo, and while I'm loving the hell out of it, I want an amp for more modern tones as well. Doesn't necessarily have to be the brootz, but just more modern. The Jet City handles all my 70's and 80's, now I want something to take care of my 90's and 00's. I can spend 500 bucks and I prefer tube over solid state. Location is NE Arkansas. Will be playing older Machine Head and thrash/groove heavy rhythms.


Machine head used 5150's on their early albums...which in modern days it translates to a 6505/6505+ Combo.
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I've heard of occurring issues with 6505+ combos. Seems like every week there are a few threads on here that speak of problems with those combos. I did love my 6505+ head when I had it though. How similar are the combo/head in terms of sound? If it came down to it, I would definitely buy the combo version.
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#9
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If he couldn't find the tone he wants with a Jet City then a 6505 won't do either. Both were spawn off the same origin really (Soldano).

But yeah, try throw a tubescreamer up front and tighten it up.



It depends what combo he has. If its 2012 or 5212, then its definetly not a metal machine. If its 2212 or 5012 then it should be capable of br00tz, especially with a boost to tighten things up. But 6505, while based on same circuit, is definetly different sounding amp.

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#10
The one I have is the 20 watt combo. No reverb.
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The one I have is the 20 watt combo. No reverb.


Yeah but is it the single channel (2012) or two channel one (2212)? Former is crunch only, latter has a high gain lead channel.

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#12
Two channel. However, I find it does not satisfy modern metal needs. It does alt rock quite well, and 80's metal brilliantly. One thing I've not done yet is play through it with my Goldtop which is in the process of having Black Winters installed. Not sure if high output humbuckers will help or if I should keep the amp for the sound it has (I do love it after all) and buy second amp for modern tones.
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#13
Have you tried boosting it with a tubescreamer pedal? Jet city, while having a lot of gain on tap, is on the looser classy side of things. A TS boost will help to tighten it out.

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#14
A 6505/5150 would be perfect for the tones he wants. That's what Machine Head plays and nearly every modern metal band has at least used one at one point or another, whether live or in the studio.
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I've heard of occurring issues with 6505+ combos. Seems like every week there are a few threads on here that speak of problems with those combos. I did love my 6505+ head when I had it though. How similar are the combo/head in terms of sound? If it came down to it, I would definitely buy the combo version.


Its a bit different, but the controls, the layout and the sound is somewhat similar. The head version through has more headroom than the combo. I would upgrade the speaker though if you're good with electronics.
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#16
And perhaps a tube upgrade? I plan on putting V30 in place of speaker if I get it. Also, I've attempted to put TS in front of Jet City and while it does help out some, it is still not where I want it.
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If he couldn't find the tone he wants with a Jet City then a 6505 won't do either. Both were spawn off the same origin really (Soldano).


the jet city he has is the lower gain, single channel jet city
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#18
This one has two channels. Crunch and Overdrive.
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#19
damn jet city to hell for its arcane model numbering system.

a 6505 might get you there. i haven't tried one head to head with a jet city. my 50 watt jet city gets heavy enough for me with a boost (even without one if i crank the gain), but obviously I might not be playing the same stuff as you.

i guess, i'd want to try a 6505 first if i were you, just in case it doesn't do what you want, either.
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And perhaps a tube upgrade? I plan on putting V30 in place of speaker if I get it. Also, I've attempted to put TS in front of Jet City and while it does help out some, it is still not where I want it.


Then 6505 (or bugera 6260 if you are feeling lucky), head or combo, is where you must go if Machine Head tone you are after because thats what they were using. I cant say anything about possible problems with the combo, never heard about that. :/

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#21
Well I mainly got rid of the 6505+ head due to the fact that I wanted to go strictly combo from there on out. So for my first combo, I bought my Jet City. Again, fantastic amp, and I'm keeping it. However, it appears I will be something of an amp collector. So long as the 6505+ combo is somewhat similar to that crunchy beefy tone of the 5150, I'll be fine. I just won't go head/cab anymore. Too much hassle for the simple fact that I play at home.
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I've heard of occurring issues with 6505+ combos. Seems like every week there are a few threads on here that speak of problems with those combos. I did love my 6505+ head when I had it though. How similar are the combo/head in terms of sound? If it came down to it, I would definitely buy the combo version.



I wouldn't worry about it. Part of the reason you see so many threads on them is that so damn many people own them.

Mine has been working flawlessly for 3+ straight years now. I've had to replace a few tubes here and there, but that's just part of owning a tube amp (and it's really fun to play around with different tubes).
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Need more info. What modern tone are you looking for? Name at least two bands.


This pls ^^?? Or are you actually talking about Machine Head & Friends when you say 'modern'?
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#24
Thinking old school Machine Head. Some thick chunk with a decent high end. Maybe some Trivium and In Flames. I'd like to be able to do thrash fairly well. for the most part.
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#25
Cool. You've just named 3 x 6505 artists iirc.
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