#1
How do you feel it has helped your compositions?

Do you think it has any worthy benefit for improvisers in popular styles of music?
#2
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How do you feel it has helped your compositions?

A lot. Although, I typically like "free" counterpoint, not species counterpoint.

Do you think it has any worthy benefit for improvisers in popular styles of music?

For improvising? Not really. Counterpoint is all about planning. When you're improvising, it's on the fly.
#3
In a sense, counterpoint knowledge can be useful during an improvisation, attempting to make good counterpoint with the bassist/underlying harmony (ex. aiming for the "thirds of chords") is an important strategy for "making the changes" and having your improvisations sound out harmony changes even if there aren't any being played.

This is a major goal for any jazz improviser, or anyone who is serious about playing melodically.

Now obviously that's not counterpoint in the traditional sense, but my point is that studying the art/science of the creation and manipulation of multiple melodies can only make you better, because that's all music is anyway. Simultaneous melodies.
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#4
it is the single most useful and empowering thing i've ever learned.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#5
I know what counterpoint is, I've messed around with a little and try to incorporate in my writing (mostly in the way that it's related to voice leading, which I do know pretty well), but I never really learned correctly. Anybody know of any good articles online or a book that really breaks it down?
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it is the single most useful and empowering thing i've ever learned.


Really, how so?
#7
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it is the single most useful and empowering thing i've ever learned.


Yeah, it opens up so many options.

For improvising? Not really. Counterpoint is all about planning. When you're improvising, it's on the fly.


Once you get the hang of it, it gets really easy to do counterpoint on the fly for improvising chord progressions.
#8
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Really, how so?


in studying counterpoint, you're learning how to combine two or more independent melodies.

i challenge anyone to argue that this is not useful in improvisation (which is nothing more than composition in real time).
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