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#1
Saw a lady (while transexual lady but guess that doesn't matter) on TV arguing that it's wrong to refer to children when they're born as "he" or "she" because they should be able to freely choose their own gender independently. She said instead to refer to your child as something like "they."

Do you agree or disagree with that sentiment?
#2
"they"? no call it "that". Don't acknowledge they're in the room.
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#3
It depends on the child's stage of development. If the kid is between 1-5, I see no problem with assigning gender based on genitalia. This is because they most likely lack the cognizance needed to think about their own gender identity. However, as soon as they are able to speak with some depth about themselves, it is important to take their thoughts into consideration.
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#4
"It", bruh.
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#5
I think that.... you should watch better TV. Bob's Burgers is a good show.
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I think that.... you should watch better TV. Bob's Burgers is a good show.

>not watching Orange is the New Black

You must be cis scum
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"they"? no call it "that". Don't acknowledge they're in the room.

In fact, don't even acknowledge it as a "that." Let _______ explore ______'s own existential form of "being" and stop impressing your Cartesian standards on the rest of us.

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I think that.... you should watch better TV. Bob's Burgers is a good show.
Eh, King Of The Hill is better. Never got Bob's Burgers appeal.
#10
Yes. That's just as bad as every place that uses a Mens and Women's bathroom instead of a unisex bathroom.
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#11
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She said instead to refer to your child as something like "they."

Not only is she an idiot, but a patron of poor grammar as well. Your child is not a plurality (unless they're conjoined twins).
#12
This is stupid. You don't go through that extra effort on the belief that they may not act like the majority. More PC bullshit
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>not watching Orange is the New Black

You must be cis scum

I'm like 6 episodes into the second season, you heteronormative shitlord.
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I'm like 6 episodes into the second season, you heteronormative shitlord.


Shut up, you cisgendered, white oppressor.
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I get you now.
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Shut up, you cisgendered, white oppressor.

I'm not even white. Boom. Check your privilege.
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#18
I'm still pretty sure "it" is the accepted vernacular.
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Neither am I. Fight me, normie.

EDIT: German avoids this conflict by referring to young children as "it."
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It depends on the child's stage of development. If the kid is between 1-5, I see no problem with assigning gender based on genitalia. This is because they most likely lack the cognizance needed to think about their own gender identity. However, as soon as they are able to speak with some depth about themselves, it is important to take their thoughts into consideration.

I agree
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#21
I think this is a draw
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#22
If I get to choose what I am despite my genetic make up I am now officially a piece of toast. I can commit genocide and guess what, HAHAHAHA YOU CANT DO ANYTHING TO ME BECAUSE IM A ****ING PIECE OF TOAST AHHAHAHAHAHAH
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I agree


T-thank you...
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If I get to choose what I am despite my genetic make up I am now officially a piece of toast. I can commit genocide and guess what, HAHAHAHA YOU CANT DO ANYTHING TO ME BECAUSE IM A ****ING PIECE OF TOAST AHHAHAHAHAHAH

Nah, they'll give you the electric chair. I guess your dreams of being toast would come true, though.
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If I get to choose what I am despite my genetic make up I am now officially a piece of toast. I can commit genocide and guess what, HAHAHAHA YOU CANT DO ANYTHING TO ME BECAUSE IM A ****ING PIECE OF TOAST AHHAHAHAHAHAH

brb changing my race on Facebook to "Whole Wheat"
#26
Practically useless. Of course you should pay attention to your kids and not try to box them into a specific role based on genitalia, but understand that the whole world will.
#27
Coming from a pure psychology perspective: it depends on the child. Some are aware early on to know what they are. Others need some time.

There is no clear answer. Every case needs to be evaluated individually.
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Coming from a pure psychology perspective: it depends on the child.

Jesus Christ! Give this man a Nobel peacey-prize.
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#29
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Coming from a pure psychology perspective: it depends on the child. Some are aware early on to know what they are. Others need some time.

There is no clear answer. Every case needs to be evaluated individually.

Yeah, I don't disagree. I'm not sure if this post is directed at me haha cuz I don't see where I warranted this response


Also I find it weird that people would have such contrarian backlash to something like this. Seems like anything that could've come out of basic concepts on gender are always gonna be seen as ridiculous. I think it might be cuz the majority wouldn't really know the feeling but the refusal to understand or tolerate is really what pisses me off.
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Yeah, I don't disagree. I'm not sure


Also I find it weird that people would have such contrarian backlash to something like this. Seems like anything that could've come out of basic concepts on gender are always gonna be seen as ridiculous. I think it might be cuz the majority wouldn't really know the feeling but the refusal to understand or tolerate is really what pisses me off.


I refuse to see anything about gender as "this or that." There's always a middle ground to examine.
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#31
I'm not gonna get my kids a barbie or an action figure or anything that'll reinforce gender norms. They'll have one of these:

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#33
I hate this tumblr feminism... I read an article someone shared on fb yesterday, where they had to add "cis" to a quote, like "[Cis] men think ..." or something like that.

Why don't use their natural gender before they determine their own identity (which in nearly all cases remains in accordance with their equipment)?
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#36
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I refuse to see anything about gender as "this or that." There's always a middle ground to examine.

This is driving me nuts. Where am I disagreeing?
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#37
oh lord...
It's over simplified, So what!

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This is driving me nuts. Where am I disagreeing?

Maybe he's just... Agreeing with you? lol.
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#39
If the chil has a dick then it aint no chick


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